I normally don't create posts like this but I am getting really excited to finally get my 1st tune after owning the car just over 2 years now. Until now, all I had was a tbe. So here is what I will have:

P0300 dealer reflash (May '06)
DC Sports dp/tp
HKS 30th Anniversary cat back
Walbro 255
Hallman MBC set at 21 psi
APS intake
APS BOV (to hold the increased boost)
Buschur Deluxe FMIC and LICP
Buschur ported 10.5 turbine housing
Buschur coated ebay O2 housing
Dynoflash tune for 93 octane (custom dyno tune at Pruven)

I am thinking of a mail-in flash for now only because I plan to get cams and maybe some other stuff in the spring but am not sure if Al has maps for my current parts so may need a custom tune (doubt it tough). I PM'ed him to ask but never heard back. I might be going up to CT to Pruven soon to get a custom tune from Al if we can line something up too. Now I know to expect better results from a custom tune than a mail-in, but either way what do you think I should expect?

Also, Pruven's dyno has to be really high because my friend put down 306whp and 314lb-ft with only 3" high flow cat, 3" cat-back, intake, upper IC pipe, MBC, and custom Dynoflash tune. Any truth to my hypothesis on this?

Thanks guys! Sorry for the somewhat lame post but remember how you felt when you got your first tune before flaming......

 

I would say those numbers are normal for a dynojet, they read high compared to everything else. Do u drive up and down 81 around 7am and 530 pm. I think I pass u all the time. I have a WW with all carbon wing. I had a guy a few weeks ago waive at me in a silver EVO on 81 in the evening.I work in Chambersburg so am constinently on 81.

 

Yeah man that was me! There are quite a few EVOs around here. Two good friends of mine have a black one and a blue one in Hagerstown. Don't wanna get too off topic so I'll PM ya.

 

A few points

With the APS intake I would do a custom tune for sure

I am not sure which part of PA you are in but I am comming through PA two times in the begginning of August going to Ohio and the DSM shootout

As for Pruven's dyno reading high - my personal opinion is that its total BS rumor started by other shops unahppy that I can just make more power. The 1/4 mile times all over the usa show that my customers are fast and make loads of power.

In reality it does not matter at all how the dyno reads

All that matters is that the dyno is consistant from run to run and you measure a success of a tune from how the car was pulliong when it comes in vs when it leaves

As far as tuning at Pruven - I am there every week day through end of August and we can ghet you in on one's days notice

Al

 

Sounds good Al. I will be in touch. It all depends on the lead times of my ported/coated parts from Buschur and when my freind gets his 3065 installed. We planned on coming up together since it is about a 4 or 5 hour drive. I will plan on a custom tune then hopefully in the next 2 or 3 weeks. If my BR parts get here next week I will tear into the car on Sat and try to get up there ASAP after that. Does the $400 for the tune included dyno time? I heard when tuned at Pruven dyno time is included.

Also for anyone who wants to voice their opinion. If my one friend put down the 306/314 above with only the parts I have listed for him, how much more power and torque do you think I will make on that same Pruven dyno? Can't wait!!!

 

Not much more in this heat.

 

Really?

So your saying a 3" downpipe over his stocker, testpipe over his 3" high-flow cat, ported/coated 10.5 over his stocker, ported/coated mani over his stocker, and coated ebay O2 housing will do nothing?

Then why did I waste all that money on parts that are in your sig package?

Or were you just kidding about the heat?

 

Huh? Waste money on parts in my package? The only thing you listed in my package right there that your friend doesn't have is the DP, so I don't know what you mean by that comment. The things in my package get VIIIs to around 300whp. Some make more and some make less. Beyond the actual power increase, they also set you up perfectly for all future mods without adding anything you don't need and ensuring you have everything you DO need (BOV to efficiently hold the increased boost, fuel pump to safely supply fuel for the increased boost, exhaust for power and reduced backpressure, MBC to raise boost, and flash to tune). Looking at your mod list...you have nothing from my package anyway. YOu got all your own parts and put them together.

You didn't know heat kills power? It can make as much as a 20whp difference in the dead of summer like this. In the Winter, you can make 20whp more...

 

Yes I know that heat affects power, especially on turbo cars. Why would you assume I didn't know that? Everyone knows that.

I thought the BR ported parts were part of one of your packages as I was pretty sure I read in a thread a while ago about some kid who had X amount to spend and you suggested your package and the ported parts and O2 housing I mentioned above. I must've misunderstood or assumed they were part of your package. Either way you suggested them to him. But that still doesn't answer my question, which is, why wouldnt my car make a noticeable increase in power and torque over his with the addition of the parts I have that he doens't? I don't see how I can't make more! I believe his car was also tuned around this time of the year at Pruven as well so the temp shouldve been about the same. Let's ignore that for a second and assume we both have the same environmental conditions for both of our tunes. Then I have quite a few more parts that should make a good bit more HP. Or why else do people buy them?

 

Well, the 306/314 car you are referring to was not tuned in "the dead of summer". It was tuned around the 1st of January..there would be your power difference. So his car is probably making somewhere around 290/303......trust me.

As far as what kind of power you can expect. Well you added a bov and fuel pump, which will not add any major power over his. You do have a more elaborate intake as far as tuning goes, so that could go either way. By you having the downpipe and tp I would say that will be a solid 15hp gain. All of those ported parts will simply decrease your spool time, power gain will be minimal there. The ebay o2 housing will net you around 10hp.

So in the end you will probably be around the 310-315/320-325 range imo..

only time will tell though..

 

Sorry Kevin, I thought you guys went up there in the summer. OK, well then that answers my question. I should expect about 20-30 more hp and tq than he did with the same tuning conditions, which is what I expected with the addition of some parts over him. Although I would think the ported/coated parts along with the O2 would give me the power gain rather than just the O2 itself.

As soon as I get my car done and Kevin here gets his car done we will be hitting up Pruven together! I am getting very excited for my first tune!

 

/\ o yea!!. I did get a power gain from the ported parts and 10.5, however it is hard to see because of the variance in temps between the two dyno sessions.

It was about 40-50 degrees when I made 375/385, then when it was 80-90 I made 376/385. So there is power to be had, but the most noticable thing to be was the spool.

Anyway, I cant wait to get up to Pruven again and see what power we can make...

 

OK I got tuned on Friday and want some opinions please. All of my mods are listed in the first post. The temp in Pruven's shop/dyno room was about 90 degrees and it was raining so the humidity was obviously at 100%. Not a good day to make power. My dumb A$$ was in a hurry the night before and filled up with 92 octane for the drive up too but less than 1/4 of a tank was in the car at the time of the tune and it was topped off with Sunoco 93. The end result was

293 whp
311 wtq

I must say for the amount of mods I am disappointed. I know I had a little 92 in the car and the conditions sucked but still, considering my mods I expected about 15-20 more hp and 10 more lb-ft of torque. Maybe I am way off and I hope I am. Do you guys think my numbers are low or does this seem normal considering the situation??? Since Friday I have fresh 93 and turned the boost up to 22psi. The car seems to be running rich with backfires and black smoke and smelling of gas but the AFRs are in the mid to low-11s on the dyno sheet so all seems well. Opinions please. Thanks!

 

Time for a set of cams!

 

^^Someday. But my question is with what I have done NOW and the conditions of the tuning day are these numbers normal or low? I think they seem low but want some opinions of the members.