Are there really NO certified containers for E-85 ?
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I swear there used to be some language on VP Racing Fuel's website saying that its plastic fuel jugs are alcohol compatible. I can't find that wording on there anymore though
http://vpracingfuels.com/productsByC...AME=CONTAINERS
http://vpracingfuels.com/productsByC...AME=CONTAINERS
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Got something for ya. Do a google search for : fuel jugs alcohol compatible
A few things pop up, but i guess you need to hunt for something which looks official saying its alcohol compatible
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Or you can try to email VP Racing Fuels to see if they have a "MSDS-Material Safety Data Sheet" saying its fuel containers are alcohol compatible.
A few things pop up, but i guess you need to hunt for something which looks official saying its alcohol compatible
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Or you can try to email VP Racing Fuels to see if they have a "MSDS-Material Safety Data Sheet" saying its fuel containers are alcohol compatible.
Last edited by skiracer; Feb 26, 2009 at 09:55 AM.
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I figured it out! I'm gonna print out all these documents and bring them to the station tomorrow. All these docs are from DOT.gov:
Document declaring E85 as UN3475 (January 2008)
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-secu...218d-names.htm
Document declaring storage of UN3475 up to 60L as requiring §173.202 (March 2008)
http://phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHM...MT_03_2008.xls
Document explaining §173.202 requirements
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...=r49CFR173.202
You'll note "Plastic jerrican: 3H1 or 3H2" is safe for E85. In your face *****!
Document declaring E85 as UN3475 (January 2008)
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety-secu...218d-names.htm
Document declaring storage of UN3475 up to 60L as requiring §173.202 (March 2008)
http://phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHM...MT_03_2008.xls
Document explaining §173.202 requirements
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...=r49CFR173.202
You'll note "Plastic jerrican: 3H1 or 3H2" is safe for E85. In your face *****!
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We have verasun e85 in Pittsburgh at (3) sheetz locations - they all have built-in cc machines and don't even look outside. Every 2 weeks I fill my car up + (2) red gas cans full and go on my way.
They actually have a list of cars on the pumps that are "flex-fuel" but nobody enforces it......least haven't, my luck every e85 station in my area will start to get stingy.
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From the FWIW dept...
After reading this thread last night I did some I-net searching and found a company - Gemplers - that stocks a large assortment of fuel cans and also has email, so I sent them a message. See below.
www.gemplers.com
Now, I know this thread is worthless without a pic of Holly, so here ya go:
After reading this thread last night I did some I-net searching and found a company - Gemplers - that stocks a large assortment of fuel cans and also has email, so I sent them a message. See below.
www.gemplers.com
Hi Jim,
We do not have a can that is specifically for ethanol or E85. I think the E85 is so new the can manufacturers have not addressed it yet.
Holly/Tech Services
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From: Jim in Tucson
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:33 PM
To: techserv@gemplers
Subject: Ethanol/E-85 fuel can
Do you sell a fuel can that is certified for use with ethanol, or more specifically with E-85?
Thanks,
Jim
We do not have a can that is specifically for ethanol or E85. I think the E85 is so new the can manufacturers have not addressed it yet.
Holly/Tech Services
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From: Jim in Tucson
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:33 PM
To: techserv@gemplers
Subject: Ethanol/E-85 fuel can
Do you sell a fuel can that is certified for use with ethanol, or more specifically with E-85?
Thanks,
Jim
Last edited by Jim in Tucson; Feb 27, 2009 at 09:06 PM.
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i had a similar issue in orlando florida, they had a sticker on the pump that said it can only be pumped into flex fuel vehicles and not canisters, long story short after 3 hours of arguing they let me pump but i believe this gas station does it for legal reasons. only issue ive run into all other gas stations in sofla dont seem to care much.
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Buy a clear (or yellow) fuel jug from your local Yamaha/honda/kawasaki/sususki dealer. Make some official looking sticker saying (made for E85) with a picture of a corn on cob, and maybe make up some crazy EPA numbers on the bottom that are to small to read. Stick it on the bottom of the jug.
Or rent a flex fuel vehicle, fill it, siphon it, repeat....
I had one station mention it to me in Las Vegas. I said i had a conversion, showed them the reciept from the tuner that said (E85 tune). They did not try to stop me from pumping. They just wanted to make sure i knew that it wasnt regular gasoline.
Or rent a flex fuel vehicle, fill it, siphon it, repeat....
I had one station mention it to me in Las Vegas. I said i had a conversion, showed them the reciept from the tuner that said (E85 tune). They did not try to stop me from pumping. They just wanted to make sure i knew that it wasnt regular gasoline.
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They're not that stupid, besides, it makes more sense to just prove that there is a legal way to pump it into a container than to try to find ways to break the law (even if it's a stupid law). I'm still waiting to hear back from them on the documentation I provided, I'll be sure to reply as soon as they give me an answer.