so im trying to learn up as much as i can right now on starting to tune, but before i did i wanted to make sure i purchased the right things for it, i wanted to know if i ran an aem wideband with evoscan and a tactrix cable, that would be everything i would need. because what i was unsure about is with evoscan, you are able to view your afr in real time? (this is what i was unsure about) because right now i am torn between this and the innovative wideband (xd16 combo) which from my understanding is a tuning application in itself (so i wouldnt need the tactrix cable and evoscan?)
hope this makes sense to everyone and thanks ahead of time

 

Get the tactrix cable, evoscan, and either wideband + ecuflash. The innovate software is for data logging only, you still need the tactrix cable for ecu logging and flashing.

Both widebands interface w/ evoscan so you can compare all the data parameters you want or need.

 

With the AEM you need to solder two of the wires from the AEM plug to a female serial connector. From there you need to get a serial to USB converter. Go with something different than the AEM is my suggestion. I have it and I hate it.

 

If the AEM has analog outputs it can be directly pinned to the ECU which IMO is the best way to log any wideband.

See here man https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...ial-cable.html

 

it does have an analog output....and can be wired into the ecu.

 

Yes, you do... but it is a no-big-deal 1 time affair. With the LC-1 you have to find some place to shove that bigass connector/processor box. You also have to calibrate (though replacement sensors are slightly cheaper) and have no actual display unless you purchase a separate one.


IMHO it is the worst way to log any wideband other than on-the-fly I just need a quick reading logging. The analog signal can have tons of interference between the output and the ECU, let alone grounding differences, post-processing, etc etc etc. Serial or USB is THE way to do it if it matters.

 

so theres alot of different of opinions, and trying to find out if i should just invest in the extra 100 dollars now and get the innovative xd16 which will have the serial port built in... how is everyone else able to log and tune their car?? aem/zeitronix/innovative?

oh and just wanna make sure i have this.. if i dont have a wideband, there would be no way for me to tune my car myself correct?

 

Absolutely no interference/grounding issues with my NGK. Take it however you want. Clean install (no messy serial cable) and 100% accurate to my gauge FTW . As if serial communication is so great

 

I use the AEM UEGO w/ serial cable and it's a piece of cake. The connector I have tucks behind the glove box and the USB->Serial Cable I put in the glove box. You cannot tune a car accurately w/o a wideband and would be shooting in the dark as far as air/fuel ratio goes.

 

I have the AEM WB and it works great. I log with it with evoscan and tactrix cable, you do have to find a male serial adapter and a female to female serial cable which is a piece of cake and not that expensive around $10 for all and this WB has analog output as well. Another thing is that is not that expensive compare to the other WB out there. Here is a thread for you: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...tructions.html

 

and I'm sure your boost gauge reads dead on when visually comparing it to your MAP sensor

I'm talking about minute differences in time or measurement. Theres no way you could eyeball between one or the other to see the time shift or value shift in these events. This would be something you would have to log if you are not the terminator.

For reference: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6384799-post94.html

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As far as my comment about serial goes, the LC-1 should be fine with its usb-stream serial comms. Basically what I meant was digital is the way to go when it matters (not analog). .2 AFR can be a big difference when tuning!

It is a bad idea to start off on the wrong foot. If you are going to be tuning yourself get your hands on a wideband first!

 

I've installed them all in customer cars. From Innovate's LC-1, AEM's Uego, Zeitronix, etc... I used to log serially and always hated but, recently switched to analog logging directly through the ECU as noted in by Luke in post #4 and have found it to be very accurate (other than the Uego which I think I can adjust that now thanks to fostytou. Comparing serially to analog with LC-1s and the Zeitronix they were dead-on accurate. The only one I have had a slight issue with is the Uego but, that too looks like if can be adjusted for accuracy.

The Uego does have its gauge going for them as included since the converter is built right into the gauge, which is a plus.