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Old Sep 16, 2016 | 05:49 PM
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Hard start, too much fuel cranking?

My car has some trouble starting, I need to start on WOT to rev to 2000rpm and let it go and stays on and idle fine.

If I don't go WOT turning it on, it idles low (600/800rpm) sometimes it turns off, or stays idling really low for a few seconds and then stabilizes. If it turns off and I turn it on again, I can see some black smoke.

Could it be too rich starting up? where can I lean this starting spot only?

I see some tables on fuel settings like cranking primer (first pulse), post primer enrichment 1,2,3,4,5,6. Or can I just lean the high and low octane fuel table on 500/1000 rpm?

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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by audiofan
My car has some trouble starting, I need to start on WOT to rev to 2000rpm and let it go and stays on and idle fine.

If I don't go WOT turning it on, it idles low (600/800rpm) sometimes it turns off, or stays idling really low for a few seconds and then stabilizes. If it turns off and I turn it on again, I can see some black smoke.

Could it be too rich starting up? where can I lean this starting spot only?

I see some tables on fuel settings like cranking primer (first pulse), post primer enrichment 1,2,3,4,5,6. Or can I just lean the high and low octane fuel table on 500/1000 rpm?

Thanks for your help

What is your coolant temp

And Atmospheric temp
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 04:55 PM
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What is your coolant temp

And Atmospheric temp
Coolant was 113F when getting out of work to come home and Ambient showed 107F

Seems normal, I've been monitoring coolant temp, ambient and Intake temp with my scan gauge and they seem normal, no problem there
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 06:00 PM
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Coolant was 113F when getting out of work to come home and Ambient showed 107F

Seems normal, I've been monitoring coolant temp, ambient and Intake temp with my scan gauge and they seem normal, no problem there
If the car is tuned it might need some adjustments to the cranking injector pulse with for the high heat. Just a thought.
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 4b11slayer
If the car is tuned it might need some adjustments to the cranking injector pulse with for the high heat. Just a thought.
Or maybe idle air control step adjustment.
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 4b11slayer
Or maybe idle air control step adjustment.
I just re read your post.

Maybe lower cranking primer
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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 12:05 AM
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Um, do you have Cams? Parts list in relation would be good.

Your symptoms suggest yes. THe reason you have to go WOT is to add Air. It's struggling with possibly to much fuel currently.
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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 11:01 AM
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what fuel, what injectors, what fuel pump and pressure regulator (what fuel pressure if not OE Reg). What intake, are you SD?
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Old Sep 21, 2016 | 05:47 AM
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Car is tuned, via email from a reputable vendor a few years back

I already lowered cranking primer and same thing.

Car does have cams (GSC S2), Fuel pump is a walbro 255, injectors PTE 1200cc, stock fuel pressure regulator, stock MAF, intake and intercooler pipes are the injen kit, fuel is straight pump (95 oct here in Venezuela, that should be like a US 91 oct)
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Old Sep 21, 2016 | 12:24 PM
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OK Put the cranking IPW to the stock settings then Multiply by 0.5
you want about half of the stock cranking IPW the injectors flow a little more than double stock but theyre latency is higher also.

for reference i tuned a car on DW 1200 and got
temp ms
-26 226.3
-0 108.1
18 46.4
45 17.3
68 15.4
93 12.4
122 6.7
171 3
180 2

it starts a little rich but, its very close.

these might be close enough for you to get somewhere, also if it starts easier with throttle then you need less fuel.
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Old Sep 21, 2016 | 02:19 PM
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post primer enrichment is what id be adjusting
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Old Sep 23, 2016 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 3SgteGuru
OK Put the cranking IPW to the stock settings then Multiply by 0.5
you want about half of the stock cranking IPW the injectors flow a little more than double stock but theyre latency is higher also.

for reference i tuned a car on DW 1200 and got
temp ms
-26 226.3
-0 108.1
18 46.4
45 17.3
68 15.4
93 12.4
122 6.7
171 3
180 2

it starts a little rich but, its very close.

these might be close enough for you to get somewhere, also if it starts easier with throttle then you need less fuel.
This is what I have in cranking primer:
102
68
41
35
30
10
4
2
1
1
1

If I copy and paste I get some different numbers

102.384
68.256
41.472
34.992
29.808
10.368
3.888
2.16
0.864
0.864
0.864
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Old Sep 23, 2016 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by todd6027
post primer enrichment is what id be adjusting
There are 6 post primer enrichment tables and 2 post primer enrich decay, what should I be changing?
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Old Sep 24, 2016 | 07:22 AM
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im not too well versed with the evo 8 rom, but could you screenshot the tables and stock tables.
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Old Sep 26, 2016 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 3SgteGuru
im not too well versed with the evo 8 rom, but could you screenshot the tables and stock tables.


I dont have the stock one at the moment
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