i have 449 and hoping to hit 500 soon in germany why do you guys see it not worth it

 

I don't think it is too much if you can keep your head on most of the time. 500 is a little north of what I am going to be shooting for but if it happens then so be it. First I have to pick up a beater and get mine off the road

 

I have to agree with Oldschool on this. 350 seems to be just perfect and not overkill for these roads.

 

Well.. I guess for me, its that the car will not always be here in Germany. I will be taking it back to the states. We will see what I come up with after the turbo kit, fuel system and tune.

 

I think you're missing the point man. We know that the car will not be here forever and that you will always have the urge to go faster.

But my point is this and I mean it in the nicest way possible with no offense to anyone in this forum. But I've yet to meet and American Evo owner that actually knows how to drive an Evo, myself included. Germany alone is the gateway to some of the best driving experiences known to man. So yeah you did xxxmph on the autobahn, but those stories get old. With all these tracks at our fingertips I'd so rather spend my money on being fast there. During my last time at the track I actually ran only 14psi and ran some of my fastest laps ever. I took the time to learn the lines and learn how to drive the car at the limit. And to be honest the fastest I've ever been around the Ring was in a 130hp Clio. Dude flat out drove the pure **** out of that car.

But take my words for what they're worth. You can have 500hp and some German dude will still feed you taillights in the twisties with a TDi Golf and you can't handle the rock

 

Well ok. I think maybe I have been basing my goals off some of the wrong things. I havent really seen much on Evo's on tracks here in Europe. My goals were for the most part based off of time attack specced Evo's that usually run in the low to mid 400hp range. I do want the car to be built as a track car and not as a drag car in any way. If that makes things more clear than maybe I can rethink my ink at this point.

 

yeah, drag racing on the autobahn is played out. Listen to oldschool, he has wise words to share with everyone here. Honestly, the HP wars in USA are just plain ridiculous. Guys, this is one dimensional racing at its finest. Learning how to drive on the Ring and on canyon runs is a much more dynamic driving experience. I suggest taking a beater car to the Ring and learn its limits and feel how the car responds.

BTW, I got my *** completely handed down by an old opel in the local twisties here. i was humbled in my Evo. I swear, it was like Takumi beating me in his hatchi (although this guy had a roll cage and his car was probably 1000 lbs).

Take the chance to race (responsibly) on a track and have fun doing it. You won't get another opportunity.

 

I concur! Brotha Ron gave me the business every time we went to "The Ring"(even though I didn't really run the last time we all went cause the track was soaked). But even then the kids got ***** and he can drive! I try to tell the crew of gear heads that I am running with here street racing is pointless; all it proves is who has better reaction time and a faster car, it doesn't make you a better driver. Nicely put family.

 

So I see you guys are pretty much bashing drag racing, well it isn't as easy as you think to compete in a bracket or heads up class. You make it sound like you just punch the gas and your done and by saying it's pointless is just ignorant

 

No… nobodies bashing drag racing I am just letting my bias out. I WON’T take part in a street race at a stop light with some kid whose parents have money and is out to prove he has a fast car. Really what’s the point? Now if you wanna go to the drag strip and enter a competition that is broken down by classes obviously the best of the best is gonna show up and you better have some skill or you WILL be going home early. Some people like Nascar, some Indy, some Grand Prix and others Moto GP. All different types of races requiring a different type of skill set so like Ron said, “To each his own”. The point I believe “we” were talking about is being able to “Drive”; and I don’t feel that can be determined in 12 seconds at the track or from one stop light to the next… do you?

 

Whoa easy killer. Lets be realistic for a second here. When was the last time bracket racing, heads up or low ETs made someone a better driver? The only thing I've ever stressed is learning how to drive the car at its limits before going for xxxhp. Being in Europe gives one endless chances to improve on this skill. Chances most people would kill for. Cause everyone wants to know about the time we were at Bitburg, one of what 2 maybe 3 venues where you can actually drag race?

Now don't get me wrong I have all kinds of respect for drag racers. Its not my thing but I enjoy watching it and give props when props is due. But when I think of drag racing I think of throaty V8s, RWD, and twisting chassis. A place where rally bred Evos just don't fit in.

But once again this is just my opinion. I got thing against you or your passion for drag racing.

 

Nick,

Don't take this the wrong way. There are elements to drag racing that are highly technical. I just support the view that it's one dimensional and given the reputable tracks you have around Germany and Europe, you might as well take it up several notches and know how to throw a car around the track. I find it fun to dial in suspension, brakes, and HP set up.

You value RT, 1/4 mile, and trap speeds. I value lap times around the 'Ring and IMHO is more of an indicator to me how good a car is.

 

I do understand what ya'll are saying. I'll just need some advice with the car, I really know nothing about tuning and I'm sure that can improve things. Also have to have someone to help show you the ropes on these road courses... as I have never driven one. So irregardless of how much HP my car has, I need a mentor. haha.

 

yeah it is nice to drag race,but I can totally see now the difference.I was into the drag scene hard still am.but i wanna build the car for more of a track car.Its a different feel all together.To get out there with the porsches and the lotus in hokenhiem,and it takes skill trust me.LOL,and those little cars will blow by u like ur standing still.350 to mabye 400 is enough with the evo in germany.If its tuned right,you will do good at the drag track,and the circuit.I like to attend it all.Ill have 2 evos next year lol,

 

Yes, alot of people think a drag setup can't be dominate in the corners, well their wrong. Especially when it comes to the Evo/STi, with the new turbos on the market (HTA, Twin Scroll) the bigger turbos are making excellent numbers with great spool up! Even the FP Green (flowing 47lbs) is making 500+ and running 10's in the 1/4 yet would be one of the best road course and autocross turbos you can find with stock spool. Now take that setup and get an aggressive wheel/tire combo and some coils or strut/spring combo and an alignment and your raping people around a course. So now you have a 10 second car and a road monster on your hands. I do agree with the "most people don't know how to drive" comment, they need to take an instructors course and start learning. You can go out to the track and try all you want but until you are corrected you will make the same mistakes time and time again. Most people who take drag seriously also raod course/autocross their evo's. It's just another motorsport that your car can compete in and has been around since they started making cars.

I am up for the Ring whenever you guys want to go. I am waiting on my wheels/tires now. For now I am going with Swift springs but later go with a set of KW's or JIC's once I get a beater car. I am still on Pirelli Snow Sports and if my wheels don't get here before you guys go, I will not make it out.