Tell that to Most_Wanted who ran 11.0 @ 125mph+ with 386whp on our dyno.

Back on topic, in the Northeast I would take it to Sean Ivey.

 

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Wow thats a pretty low blow to most the tuners on here.

 

Low blow or not, it's my honest opinion. There is a WEALTH of free information on this site. The EcuFlash forum is PACKED with people who truly aspire to know everything they can about our ECU.

THOSE people who have the drive to excel and pick apart the ECU to gain every last bit of knowledge are the people who I'd trust my car with.

Even David Buschur stayed away from the stock ECU until recently, and he has made a lot of posts in the EcuFlash forum asking questions about how things work and why things are the way they are... he's needed help from the community in order to fully gain the benefit of tuning on the stock ECU.

And because of that, I WOULD trust David with my car. He may be late to the game on the stock ECU, but he's dedicated to improving his service and it shows.

Now when I head up to my local drag strip, with all the collective knowledge of the EcuFlash forum on EvoM, this is pretty much how things go:

I run into someone with an Evo, maybe he's running 13.X or 14.X even with mods
I offer to take a look at his tune to give him my opinion
Me: "OK, well it hasn't been setup to log properly, the MUT table is untouched."
Me: ... "And your low octane maps are the same as your high octane ones. That's not really safe"
Me: ... "And fuel cut is disabled even though you only run 24psi. That's not really safe"
Me: ... "And lean spool is still enabled. That's gonna make for inconsistent AFRs"
Me: ... "And this timing map is causing a lot of 4th gear knock"
Other Guy: Really? Damn. I have a <insert vendor> tune. I thought it was pretty good, I mean, it cost me $350.
Me: Really? Judging by the looks of it, they only spent 15-20 minutes on it, because not much is touched, some useful safety features are just disabled, and clearly the results aren't what you were hoping.

To anyone who wants a great tune, just do yourself a favor and spend some time in the EcuFlash forum acting like a sponge for the information in there. With enough dedication, you'll get better results and more benefit out of tuning your own car than letting someone who may only spend 15-20 minutes of their time in order to get a few hundred bucks out of you because you decided not to do your research.

For one reason or another, most shops or e-tuners are far, far behind the times. There are breakthoughs almost every week where new functionality is unlocked on our ECU... but they don't get in on it. They don't understand all the intricacies of the ECU and only have experience adjusting fuel and timing and leaving it at that. Even big name shops do not go into detail with the stock ECU. They know what they know and that's enough for them. They've been making hundreds of dollars doing it for years, they just don't seem to care that there's much more to it than that.

If you're reading this and going, "Man, what a jack ***. These are professional tuners, they've done thousands of cars, they know what they're doing." I know! I want to believe that too! I really do! But after learning, there really is no defense for them. Personally, when I first got my car, and I knew nothing about tuning, I paid $100 for an e-tune (vendor shall not be named) and was unhappy with the results. So I paid $500 for a dyno tune from DSG (not an EvoM Vendor). The tune was absolute (and I mean ABSOLUTE) junk. AB-SO-LUTE JUNK. They literally changed TWO cells on my timing map, and spent 30-40 minutes making the most arbitrary of changes on my fuel map. That's it! The car made 265whp and I was extremely depressed and searching for an explanation why my car was down on power.

Then I started reading... Soon I realized my expensive tunes were utterly worthless. My bad experience with two shops that had both received RAVE reviews from the unknowing mass lead me on a path to learn everything I could about tuning and fix it myself.

Well I went back to DSG's dyno after a month of reading up, and making my own little changes to the tune. And sure enough, I put down 296whp. From that point on I never looked back.

 

Your experience with a non-evom vendor has absolutely nothing to do with Evom vendor tunes you have not experienced with your vehicle.

Making a statement that vendor tuners spend 15-20 minutes on custom tuning is a complete and utter LIE.

You are already demonstrating your lack of knowledge and experience by recommending that lean spool should be disabled on custom tunes.

We have not received 543+ positive feedbacks by not being an expert in our field.

Its evident that you have some alterior self serving motives with regards to your posting history as we have NEVER done business with you, therefore you can kindly take our company name out of your mouth.

 

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ib4tl.... interesting thread this turned out to be...

 

Thanks for the referrals guys!

 

Do you understand what Lean Spool is? First off, it's a misnomer. It's not used to spool the turbo, it's used by Mitsubishi in combination with the normal Fuel Maps that are, of course, overly rich from the factory. What it does, is create a lean condition for initial hard driving and a decay timer will eventually revert back to the base fuel maps with no additional leaning.

The problem is, if you are basing your tuned AFR on results that with Lean Spool enabled, you run the risk of the ECU leaning out beyond your intended range. Especially if you're tuning aggressively.

It's a good feature from Mitsubishi in terms of a factory option, but only because they want the first ~30 seconds of driving to be at "proper" AFRs, and the rest of the time to be overly-rich for one reason or another (protection against idiot pumping 87 octane gas, etc. etc.)

So unless people want to run the rich stock fuel map, they should just disable it and retune to always run with normal, leaner-than-stock mixes.

 

The guy started a thread with a genuine plea for help. I offered my free opinion to him (or anyone for that matter) who wants it.

I've tried to give back to the community that has given me the knowledge and support to tune my own car and my friend's cars. I've recorded some training videos and collaborated on some patching efforts to try to grow our collective knowledge-base.

And I don't want a penny from it.

It eats me up inside to see people get ripped off in any purchase, not just tunes but anything in life. I consider myself a very moral person and a wise consumer.

 

Interesting discussion. I think using the tuning services of the good remote tuners like Mellon and TTP are a fantastic way to learn how to tune effectively. They do know what they're doing and with each change they make that teaches the buyer of said tune, and turns them into a novice tuner. When its time to add mods or increase boost they can do exactly what Recompile has said and tweak or create their own maps and save a ton of cash.

 

wow, this just became a very entertaining thread...my translation: "i'm awesome and nobody else knows what they are doing"

 

I agree with recompile and also agree with TTP. Recompile I agree that some vendor tuners are hack tuners and don't really put in the time to tune a car properly. Oh BTW thanks for posting the tuning videos. I have learned so much from it From what I have seen TTP seems to be a great stock ECU Tuner and seem to be very knowledgeable about what they do.

Can we agree to disagree to keep the peace?

 

Yep exactly u and keronic are the only people who will ever tune my car....

 

Alex is a great tuner, and he is the only person i will let touch my supra.