and maybe on the same car? lol

hee he.... hence why i dont post overlays of "similar" cars with competitors turbos or our own anymore lol... Robert and I even have a hand shake agreement not to overlay things we dont feel are apples to apples in regards to our products....

anyway, always good interesting info, but it's few and far between that ANY of us honestly get to back to back a similar product on the same car... the logistics just aren't there...

I will certainly post plots of some of our clients cars when we upgrade their current BBK-s to BBK-B's with no other changes (other than a single day in between)

cheers

cb

 

When is the BBK-B likely to be available to buy???

 

^^^ This. AS consumers its nice to see what you can get and how it will perform stacked up to other products. However its not fair to anyone if its not truly back to back. These cars are extremely far apart in my opinion, since the only thing they share are Cams, SD, and Fuel...I spose me as well.

 

Aaron ftw time for the bottom end build and meth to really push the hta!!

 

Ok, epic multi-quote reply time! This is just a basic comparo, no super scientific testing, just comparing two real-world setups, and opening a discussion about it.

+ the HTA Green has a 3" inlet, so take modding the intake or FP's $110 intake into effect. So really there's *up to* about a $450 price difference. Not totally what I wanted this thread to focus on, but worth mentioning.

Like I said, it's not a perfect 1:1 comparison, but its two cars with a similar amount of mods, the same dyno, same tuner, so here is where they both arrived at...fairly similar powerbands.

First off, the black has no biz in this thread, this is between the HTA Green and the BBK Full. I've driven a black, and it felt way doggy compared to my BBK under 4000. That dyno overlay blows my mind...but I'd rather leave that discussion elsewhere.



Why silly? Like I said, this is just a comparo of two similar setups; you've got to admit the performance is very similar. Define stomp...10whp? 50whp? Someone mentioned 50whp advantage of the HTA Green over the BBK earlier and I LOL'd. No way!

Fair enough, but your second sentence is why I posted this thread. Talk about the differences in these two setups and IMHO people will see how close these two turbos really are in the real world.


Anyways, it is what it is. It'd be cool to see a true before/after sometime, but for now, this is all we have!

 

Like I said I'm fine with posts like this, it just always gets derailed at some point!!!



fp, Cbrd, etc all have some nice choices!!

Cb

 

They made similar power but are not similar setups nor similar applications, I have listed my reasons on that subject.

I took the time to show what they both do when tuned the same (boost and timing) and there was a 30whp difference on a Dynojet. On Cobb's Mustang which reads something higher than a normal Mustang but still lower than a Dynojet, FP made 500whp on 93. I want to make it clear I am not bashing anyones products, experience, or opinions. Chad said it best, there are many choices for many people depending on what they want to do and who they choose to represent.

In a world where time and money were not constraints, the bottom end was never a consideration, and I was so inclined to spend my days doing nothing but live on the dyno I would do the back to back. I would then post all the technical data to show and prove what I am talking about. Posting free information doesnt seem to do the trick though as data is open to debate no matter how concrete it seems. I had been posting the data points for awhile but the extra time and effort wasnt justified by the results. Posting the dyno sheet is much simpler provided all the sensors are working properly on the dyno.

Jeremy can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe he runs Cenex 94. While I am not convinced that it is truly 94 octane like 93 is 93, it isnt 92 like the 73HTA Green was using. My best guess based on what I have seen with the Wideband is that it is E20-E25.

Chris, not picking on you but the above is the main reason this comparison is silly.

Literally the only things the same are-

Me tuning
SD/Omnipower 4 bar
GSC S2
MIVEC
Stock long blocks

Intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds, O2 housings, Fuel, exhaust piping, Intercooler size and core, boost control method, wastegate actuators, etc. IS ALL DIFFERENT AND CONTRIBUTES to what we have seen.

This comparison is apples to fried chicken. I like to eat both, they fill me up the same, and in the end do the same job, but they are not close to being the same. For it to be legit and fair it has to be the same car, the same mods, the same day, the only difference being the turbos. That will simply never happen.

aaron

 

Do the FP HTA73 Green, HTA76 Red, and Black all have custom cast Compressor housings/covers? If so, wouldn't they be larger then what a "stock" housing could be thus also producing more power?

I only ask because I do not know the answer to this.

-Jalal

 

Just saw this thread....I am waiting on a HTA Green and once I install it, I will start posting initial comparisons to the BBK Full (ported) that was on my car previously....Same car....same tuner (aaron )....same fuel.....same parts....

I am hopeful the HTA Green will put down an additional 50+ hp over my BBK Full with nearly identical spool characteristics. Time will tell .....

 

My guess is 10-20 more whp with the HTA Green.

 

That will be an interesting test for sure. Do you know what caused your BBK to fail?

 

Definitely some great points but also a good overlay to get some comparison. Thank you to the op and yourself for posting, great stuff.

 

Thanks for the comments everyone, again, as stated, this is just some real-world end-of-the-day results, the two are different but when you add it all up they are not that different, and omg, they're not 50whp apart! I'm sure the hta green might be worth a little more over the BBK, but even if its 20whp, in the real world, that's pretty much a wash. All I'm saying is that the two are more similar power-wise than people really make them out to be. Argue all you want, just sharing my opinion. I'm entitled to it just like everyone else here

 

I agree with the tuners in here... the car's setups are essentially completely different. LMAO@apples to fried chicken... it's funny 'cause it's true.

Mike, link to thread on this setup?

 

Sorry but I completely disagree with this statement : (1) 20 whp is NOT a 'wash' in the real world - frankly many on here spend a fair bit of money for 20 whp and (2) CBRD had said the BBK Full flowed in the high 40's / maybe 50 vs. the HTA Green at 55 - what I have found is that correlates to a potential 40 - 50 whp. Again, I will let you know when I have my HTA Green installed and tuned.