Alarm Suggestions
Car alarm brand is generally irrelevent. Shop for FEATURES when you are buying a car security system, not brands.
Key features every alarm system should have:
Normally open kill relays. With a normally open, when the Brain or power is disconnected, the relay is still open, and the car can't start. Surprisingly, most alarms on the market have normally closed kill relays - just disconnect the brain and it will start right up. Clifford is one of the few alarm makers that have normally open relays. You want the kill relays on multiple systems. The fuel system and ignition system are good choices. I believe the Mitsubishi immobilizer system already covers the starter system.
Battery-powered backup alarm They can cut the power or the connection, but this thing will keep on making noise until the internal battery dies or they rip the siren out and smash it . Thieves don't like to have attention drawn to themselves.
Hood trigger The alarm should go off if the hood is opened.
Tilt-motion sensor Triggers the alarm when the angle of the car changes - like when a car is being towed or when it is jacked up to take the wheels.
Either a coded valet switch or NO valet switch at all Never put a simple on/off valet switch under your dash.
A clean, professional install All wires should be the same color. They should be integrated into the rest of the car's wiring bundles to disgusise them. The brain should not be under the driver's dash. It should be in a less obvious place.
Some people like pager alarm systems. I don't really see the point. A pager system is nice I guess. But what happens when you get paged and you run out to your car in the middle of the night and you end up confronted with 3 criminals with weapons, and they don't want to go to jail?... Maybe they will just run away when you confront them. Or maybe they will want to make sure there are no witnesses to ID them...
Key features every alarm system should have:
Normally open kill relays. With a normally open, when the Brain or power is disconnected, the relay is still open, and the car can't start. Surprisingly, most alarms on the market have normally closed kill relays - just disconnect the brain and it will start right up. Clifford is one of the few alarm makers that have normally open relays. You want the kill relays on multiple systems. The fuel system and ignition system are good choices. I believe the Mitsubishi immobilizer system already covers the starter system.
Battery-powered backup alarm They can cut the power or the connection, but this thing will keep on making noise until the internal battery dies or they rip the siren out and smash it . Thieves don't like to have attention drawn to themselves.
Hood trigger The alarm should go off if the hood is opened.
Tilt-motion sensor Triggers the alarm when the angle of the car changes - like when a car is being towed or when it is jacked up to take the wheels.
Either a coded valet switch or NO valet switch at all Never put a simple on/off valet switch under your dash.
A clean, professional install All wires should be the same color. They should be integrated into the rest of the car's wiring bundles to disgusise them. The brain should not be under the driver's dash. It should be in a less obvious place.
Some people like pager alarm systems. I don't really see the point. A pager system is nice I guess. But what happens when you get paged and you run out to your car in the middle of the night and you end up confronted with 3 criminals with weapons, and they don't want to go to jail?... Maybe they will just run away when you confront them. Or maybe they will want to make sure there are no witnesses to ID them...
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i had that viper as well, worked great i thought.... although im not sure about the easy install thing.... i took it to a shop and it took them 2 days to install it because of the separate parts they had to locate in order to get the remote start to work
Originally Posted by j3ffw19
would the turbotimer effect the alarm, iam sure you can't arm it with the engine still running. do you have to wait untill it turns off to arm it. Iam currently looking at the compustar so any other upgrades available with that alarm?
+x on Compustar
Results of not having some type of security system
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...postcount=1334
remember alarms never completely make a car impenetrable....but at least it's a deterrent and chances are makes it more difficult.
the Evo is the 2nd most stolen car in America...behind the Escalade!
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=2891
Results of not having some type of security system
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...postcount=1334
remember alarms never completely make a car impenetrable....but at least it's a deterrent and chances are makes it more difficult.
the Evo is the 2nd most stolen car in America...behind the Escalade!
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=2891
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I'll chime in again. Many of you mentioned the viper791xv. This is a great platform, but however if he is not looking to add any accessories to it, you may want to consider the python881xp. Same wiring, same sensors out of box, same features out of box. The 791 has the ability to add more onto the system vs. the 881, but if you are not looking to add anything you can save some money by going to that platform. Same company, and i have owned both alarms. Cannot go wrong with DEI. FYI: clifford is owned by DEI so they are comparable.
Okay, there are many things wrong with your post. First off, brand names mean alot here. Wal-mart brands, crimestopper autopage, are complete junk. Their brains are huge, their options are limited, the range is terrible, and the peace of mind...there is no peace of mind with cheap products. They are also a nightmare to install. You also mention normally open and normally closed. Both do the job well and even with the brain disconnected it still won't start. Main difference is, one really is open all the time, hence connected to 12v constant, potentially draining your battery life if you let it sit for a few days. The other rests at closed, until it sees ignition, then opens. If the brain is disconnected itself, that will do nothing as both the 791 and 881 have relay satellites to prevent this from happening. If you move to a cheaper platform, then it is true, but we are comparing higher end systems here anyway.
Moving on through your post. Backup batteries are the way to go to increase the chance of someone not disarming your system by pulling the negative. I agree with you here on the backup batteries of how they function. However, you have to purchase a backup battery from DEI for the 791 and 881.
Moving to the hoodpin. Both have a hoodpin shutdown, for the remote start, but needs to be connected to the instant trigger (blue wire) off the brain. You also fail to mention trunk pin, as that might be important to someone as well. In our cars you have to hit trunk pin at the courtesy light in the trunk.
Moving to the tilt-motion sensor: You are actually naming two things here. A tilt sensor will set the alarm off if the vehicle is jacked up while armed. The motion sensor, also known as a proximity sensor will pick up movement. They actually pick up moisture in the air, so when it rains, it is a ***** to have on the car.
Now, the valet switch. I can see your reason for this, however...Even a simple valet switch under the dash will do the job. The point of the valet switch is to getinto the programming options, which are locked out in my car using the DEI bitwriter, and is also used to disarm the system not by remote. Now here's the catch. You can program the brain to 1-5 pulses of the valet switch when the brain see's ignition to disarm the system. Almost impossible for someone to guess while trying to rip your underdash off to get to the ignition at the same time. The person needs to pulse the switch and give the brain ignition for the system to disarm. By that time, they will have a gun in their face.
So, without a valet switch and you have starter kill on the car, what happens if your remote dies, or your antenna on the car dies? You're SOL i guess. A coded valet switch is not neccessary(sp?).
As for the paging, it's a piece of mind, it displays whether the car is locked or not, confirms that the vehicle has started and also tells you what sensor has been triggered.
So, to sum it up, you cannot go wrong with any system from dei, as long as it is not the hornet or valet stuff from DEI, as they are not the way to go for security. Maybe for your honda civic, but not an Evo.
Originally Posted by aklucsarits
Car alarm brand is generally irrelevent. Shop for FEATURES when you are buying a car security system, not brands.
Key features every alarm system should have:
Normally open kill relays. With a normally open, when the Brain or power is disconnected, the relay is still open, and the car can't start. Surprisingly, most alarms on the market have normally closed kill relays - just disconnect the brain and it will start right up. Clifford is one of the few alarm makers that have normally open relays. You want the kill relays on multiple systems. The fuel system and ignition system are good choices. I believe the Mitsubishi immobilizer system already covers the starter system.
Battery-powered backup alarm They can cut the power or the connection, but this thing will keep on making noise until the internal battery dies or they rip the siren out and smash it . Thieves don't like to have attention drawn to themselves.
Hood trigger The alarm should go off if the hood is opened.
Tilt-motion sensor Triggers the alarm when the angle of the car changes - like when a car is being towed or when it is jacked up to take the wheels.
Either a coded valet switch or NO valet switch at all Never put a simple on/off valet switch under your dash.
A clean, professional install All wires should be the same color. They should be integrated into the rest of the car's wiring bundles to disgusise them. The brain should not be under the driver's dash. It should be in a less obvious place.
Some people like pager alarm systems. I don't really see the point. A pager system is nice I guess. But what happens when you get paged and you run out to your car in the middle of the night and you end up confronted with 3 criminals with weapons, and they don't want to go to jail?... Maybe they will just run away when you confront them. Or maybe they will want to make sure there are no witnesses to ID them...
Key features every alarm system should have:
Normally open kill relays. With a normally open, when the Brain or power is disconnected, the relay is still open, and the car can't start. Surprisingly, most alarms on the market have normally closed kill relays - just disconnect the brain and it will start right up. Clifford is one of the few alarm makers that have normally open relays. You want the kill relays on multiple systems. The fuel system and ignition system are good choices. I believe the Mitsubishi immobilizer system already covers the starter system.
Battery-powered backup alarm They can cut the power or the connection, but this thing will keep on making noise until the internal battery dies or they rip the siren out and smash it . Thieves don't like to have attention drawn to themselves.
Hood trigger The alarm should go off if the hood is opened.
Tilt-motion sensor Triggers the alarm when the angle of the car changes - like when a car is being towed or when it is jacked up to take the wheels.
Either a coded valet switch or NO valet switch at all Never put a simple on/off valet switch under your dash.
A clean, professional install All wires should be the same color. They should be integrated into the rest of the car's wiring bundles to disgusise them. The brain should not be under the driver's dash. It should be in a less obvious place.
Some people like pager alarm systems. I don't really see the point. A pager system is nice I guess. But what happens when you get paged and you run out to your car in the middle of the night and you end up confronted with 3 criminals with weapons, and they don't want to go to jail?... Maybe they will just run away when you confront them. Or maybe they will want to make sure there are no witnesses to ID them...
Okay, there are many things wrong with your post. First off, brand names mean alot here. Wal-mart brands, crimestopper autopage, are complete junk. Their brains are huge, their options are limited, the range is terrible, and the peace of mind...there is no peace of mind with cheap products. They are also a nightmare to install. You also mention normally open and normally closed. Both do the job well and even with the brain disconnected it still won't start. Main difference is, one really is open all the time, hence connected to 12v constant, potentially draining your battery life if you let it sit for a few days. The other rests at closed, until it sees ignition, then opens. If the brain is disconnected itself, that will do nothing as both the 791 and 881 have relay satellites to prevent this from happening. If you move to a cheaper platform, then it is true, but we are comparing higher end systems here anyway.
Moving on through your post. Backup batteries are the way to go to increase the chance of someone not disarming your system by pulling the negative. I agree with you here on the backup batteries of how they function. However, you have to purchase a backup battery from DEI for the 791 and 881.
Moving to the hoodpin. Both have a hoodpin shutdown, for the remote start, but needs to be connected to the instant trigger (blue wire) off the brain. You also fail to mention trunk pin, as that might be important to someone as well. In our cars you have to hit trunk pin at the courtesy light in the trunk.
Moving to the tilt-motion sensor: You are actually naming two things here. A tilt sensor will set the alarm off if the vehicle is jacked up while armed. The motion sensor, also known as a proximity sensor will pick up movement. They actually pick up moisture in the air, so when it rains, it is a ***** to have on the car.
Now, the valet switch. I can see your reason for this, however...Even a simple valet switch under the dash will do the job. The point of the valet switch is to getinto the programming options, which are locked out in my car using the DEI bitwriter, and is also used to disarm the system not by remote. Now here's the catch. You can program the brain to 1-5 pulses of the valet switch when the brain see's ignition to disarm the system. Almost impossible for someone to guess while trying to rip your underdash off to get to the ignition at the same time. The person needs to pulse the switch and give the brain ignition for the system to disarm. By that time, they will have a gun in their face.
So, without a valet switch and you have starter kill on the car, what happens if your remote dies, or your antenna on the car dies? You're SOL i guess. A coded valet switch is not neccessary(sp?).
As for the paging, it's a piece of mind, it displays whether the car is locked or not, confirms that the vehicle has started and also tells you what sensor has been triggered.
So, to sum it up, you cannot go wrong with any system from dei, as long as it is not the hornet or valet stuff from DEI, as they are not the way to go for security. Maybe for your honda civic, but not an Evo.
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Originally Posted by LilJapnBoy
+x on Compustar
Results of not having some type of security system
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...postcount=1334
remember alarms never completely make a car impenetrable....but at least it's a deterrent and chances are makes it more difficult.
the Evo is the 2nd most stolen car in America...behind the Escalade!
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=2891
Results of not having some type of security system
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...postcount=1334
remember alarms never completely make a car impenetrable....but at least it's a deterrent and chances are makes it more difficult.
the Evo is the 2nd most stolen car in America...behind the Escalade!
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=2891
Actually the most stolen vehicle for last year was the integra. It was before the immobilizer system was started to be put in vehicles (pre 99).
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Originally Posted by aklucsarits
Car alarm brand is generally irrelevent. Shop for FEATURES when you are buying a car security system, not brands.
Key features every alarm system should have:
Normally open kill relays. With a normally open, when the Brain or power is disconnected, the relay is still open, and the car can't start. Surprisingly, most alarms on the market have normally closed kill relays - just disconnect the brain and it will start right up. Clifford is one of the few alarm makers that have normally open relays. You want the kill relays on multiple systems. The fuel system and ignition system are good choices. I believe the Mitsubishi immobilizer system already covers the starter system.
Battery-powered backup alarm They can cut the power or the connection, but this thing will keep on making noise until the internal battery dies or they rip the siren out and smash it . Thieves don't like to have attention drawn to themselves.
Hood trigger The alarm should go off if the hood is opened.
Tilt-motion sensor Triggers the alarm when the angle of the car changes - like when a car is being towed or when it is jacked up to take the wheels.
Either a coded valet switch or NO valet switch at all Never put a simple on/off valet switch under your dash.
A clean, professional install All wires should be the same color. They should be integrated into the rest of the car's wiring bundles to disgusise them. The brain should not be under the driver's dash. It should be in a less obvious place.
Some people like pager alarm systems. I don't really see the point. A pager system is nice I guess. But what happens when you get paged and you run out to your car in the middle of the night and you end up confronted with 3 criminals with weapons, and they don't want to go to jail?... Maybe they will just run away when you confront them. Or maybe they will want to make sure there are no witnesses to ID them...
Key features every alarm system should have:
Normally open kill relays. With a normally open, when the Brain or power is disconnected, the relay is still open, and the car can't start. Surprisingly, most alarms on the market have normally closed kill relays - just disconnect the brain and it will start right up. Clifford is one of the few alarm makers that have normally open relays. You want the kill relays on multiple systems. The fuel system and ignition system are good choices. I believe the Mitsubishi immobilizer system already covers the starter system.
Battery-powered backup alarm They can cut the power or the connection, but this thing will keep on making noise until the internal battery dies or they rip the siren out and smash it . Thieves don't like to have attention drawn to themselves.
Hood trigger The alarm should go off if the hood is opened.
Tilt-motion sensor Triggers the alarm when the angle of the car changes - like when a car is being towed or when it is jacked up to take the wheels.
Either a coded valet switch or NO valet switch at all Never put a simple on/off valet switch under your dash.
A clean, professional install All wires should be the same color. They should be integrated into the rest of the car's wiring bundles to disgusise them. The brain should not be under the driver's dash. It should be in a less obvious place.
Some people like pager alarm systems. I don't really see the point. A pager system is nice I guess. But what happens when you get paged and you run out to your car in the middle of the night and you end up confronted with 3 criminals with weapons, and they don't want to go to jail?... Maybe they will just run away when you confront them. Or maybe they will want to make sure there are no witnesses to ID them...
Last edited by lowbdgtmechanic; Jun 22, 2006 at 01:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by MRCole
I'll chime in again. Many of you mentioned the viper791xv. This is a great platform, but however if he is not looking to add any accessories to it, you may want to consider the python881xp. Same wiring, same sensors out of box, same features out of box. The 791 has the ability to add more onto the system vs. the 881, but if you are not looking to add anything you can save some money by going to that platform. Same company, and i have owned both alarms. Cannot go wrong with DEI. FYI: clifford is owned by DEI so they are comparable.
Okay, there are many things wrong with your post. First off, brand names mean alot here. Wal-mart brands, crimestopper autopage, are complete junk. Their brains are huge, their options are limited, the range is terrible, and the peace of mind...there is no peace of mind with cheap products. They are also a nightmare to install. You also mention normally open and normally closed. Both do the job well and even with the brain disconnected it still won't start. Main difference is, one really is open all the time, hence connected to 12v constant, potentially draining your battery life if you let it sit for a few days. The other rests at closed, until it sees ignition, then opens. If the brain is disconnected itself, that will do nothing as both the 791 and 881 have relay satellites to prevent this from happening. If you move to a cheaper platform, then it is true, but we are comparing higher end systems here anyway.
Moving on through your post. Backup batteries are the way to go to increase the chance of someone not disarming your system by pulling the negative. I agree with you here on the backup batteries of how they function. However, you have to purchase a backup battery from DEI for the 791 and 881.
Moving to the hoodpin. Both have a hoodpin shutdown, for the remote start, but needs to be connected to the instant trigger (blue wire) off the brain. You also fail to mention trunk pin, as that might be important to someone as well. In our cars you have to hit trunk pin at the courtesy light in the trunk.
Moving to the tilt-motion sensor: You are actually naming two things here. A tilt sensor will set the alarm off if the vehicle is jacked up while armed. The motion sensor, also known as a proximity sensor will pick up movement. They actually pick up moisture in the air, so when it rains, it is a ***** to have on the car.
Now, the valet switch. I can see your reason for this, however...Even a simple valet switch under the dash will do the job. The point of the valet switch is to getinto the programming options, which are locked out in my car using the DEI bitwriter, and is also used to disarm the system not by remote. Now here's the catch. You can program the brain to 1-5 pulses of the valet switch when the brain see's ignition to disarm the system. Almost impossible for someone to guess while trying to rip your underdash off to get to the ignition at the same time. The person needs to pulse the switch and give the brain ignition for the system to disarm. By that time, they will have a gun in their face.
So, without a valet switch and you have starter kill on the car, what happens if your remote dies, or your antenna on the car dies? You're SOL i guess. A coded valet switch is not neccessary(sp?).
As for the paging, it's a piece of mind, it displays whether the car is locked or not, confirms that the vehicle has started and also tells you what sensor has been triggered.
So, to sum it up, you cannot go wrong with any system from dei, as long as it is not the hornet or valet stuff from DEI, as they are not the way to go for security. Maybe for your honda civic, but not an Evo.
Okay, there are many things wrong with your post. First off, brand names mean alot here. Wal-mart brands, crimestopper autopage, are complete junk. Their brains are huge, their options are limited, the range is terrible, and the peace of mind...there is no peace of mind with cheap products. They are also a nightmare to install. You also mention normally open and normally closed. Both do the job well and even with the brain disconnected it still won't start. Main difference is, one really is open all the time, hence connected to 12v constant, potentially draining your battery life if you let it sit for a few days. The other rests at closed, until it sees ignition, then opens. If the brain is disconnected itself, that will do nothing as both the 791 and 881 have relay satellites to prevent this from happening. If you move to a cheaper platform, then it is true, but we are comparing higher end systems here anyway.
Moving on through your post. Backup batteries are the way to go to increase the chance of someone not disarming your system by pulling the negative. I agree with you here on the backup batteries of how they function. However, you have to purchase a backup battery from DEI for the 791 and 881.
Moving to the hoodpin. Both have a hoodpin shutdown, for the remote start, but needs to be connected to the instant trigger (blue wire) off the brain. You also fail to mention trunk pin, as that might be important to someone as well. In our cars you have to hit trunk pin at the courtesy light in the trunk.
Moving to the tilt-motion sensor: You are actually naming two things here. A tilt sensor will set the alarm off if the vehicle is jacked up while armed. The motion sensor, also known as a proximity sensor will pick up movement. They actually pick up moisture in the air, so when it rains, it is a ***** to have on the car.
Now, the valet switch. I can see your reason for this, however...Even a simple valet switch under the dash will do the job. The point of the valet switch is to getinto the programming options, which are locked out in my car using the DEI bitwriter, and is also used to disarm the system not by remote. Now here's the catch. You can program the brain to 1-5 pulses of the valet switch when the brain see's ignition to disarm the system. Almost impossible for someone to guess while trying to rip your underdash off to get to the ignition at the same time. The person needs to pulse the switch and give the brain ignition for the system to disarm. By that time, they will have a gun in their face.
So, without a valet switch and you have starter kill on the car, what happens if your remote dies, or your antenna on the car dies? You're SOL i guess. A coded valet switch is not neccessary(sp?).
As for the paging, it's a piece of mind, it displays whether the car is locked or not, confirms that the vehicle has started and also tells you what sensor has been triggered.
So, to sum it up, you cannot go wrong with any system from dei, as long as it is not the hornet or valet stuff from DEI, as they are not the way to go for security. Maybe for your honda civic, but not an Evo.
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Originally Posted by MRCole
Actually the most stolen vehicle for last year was the integra. It was before the immobilizer system was started to be put in vehicles (pre 99).
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Ok, actually now iam confused on the MSN article. They have different categories since i last looked at the page. Like CCC claims and crap. HAHA, i don't know now. It's harder to steal a car with the immobilzer than one without one, that's for sure.
and as for the link, ask and you shall receive!
Python Page http://www.directed.com/security/pyt..._responder.asp
Viper Page http://www.directed.com/security/vip..._responder.asp
and as for the link, ask and you shall receive!
Python Page http://www.directed.com/security/pyt..._responder.asp
Viper Page http://www.directed.com/security/vip..._responder.asp
MRCole: What do you think of the Compustars? Have you had experience with them? Few more questions....
1. Do you need to have a key in the car because of the imobolizer?
2. Does the antenna have to be by the window and not hidden in like the trunk?
3. What is the typical cost to have these installed?
Thanks
1. Do you need to have a key in the car because of the imobolizer?
2. Does the antenna have to be by the window and not hidden in like the trunk?
3. What is the typical cost to have these installed?
Thanks
Originally Posted by douggsx
MRCole: What do you think of the Compustars? Have you had experience with them? Few more questions....
1. Do you need to have a key in the car because of the imobolizer?
2. Does the antenna have to be by the window and not hidden in like the trunk?
3. What is the typical cost to have these installed?
Thanks
1. Do you need to have a key in the car because of the imobolizer?
2. Does the antenna have to be by the window and not hidden in like the trunk?
3. What is the typical cost to have these installed?
Thanks
2. YES, specifically for the 2-way pager, hiding it in the trunk will interfere with the reception. Plus part of the value of the alarm is detracting car thieves from your car BECUZ they see the alarm.
3. $300-500 on top of the price of the alarm. Typically installation shops at Best Buy/Circuit City don't like to install remote starters on manual transmission cars.
