HELP cam installation screwed up my car!!
Originally Posted by inariv5573
If you want a better idle you should have gone with the 264's. They are also better for your mods. I wouldn't get 272's unless I had a larger turbo to take advantage of the larger airflow. With 272's you are asking for a SES light considering you probably won't pass emissions with them on.
Some of my customers even get the 280's which create a miserable idle and cant help you until after the power band of a stock turbo
264 / 264 HKS cams is the best combo for the stock turbo on a street driven car
if bigger was always better - then every cam would be a 360 degree duration
Actually Al, I left you a message on your phone and you didn't get back to me so I figured you were busy.. That's why I wanted advice from the forum.
I didn't mean to title the post that way just the fact I was panicing... I spent 2 grand that day and it left me in tight budget with bills, etc. I wanted to buy that forge bov but I really couldnt afford to buy it at the time.
Also Pruven is really far away from me, and it takes a good 3 hour drive to get home. I've just been really busy at work and dealing with other things I should've researched more about the cams. I just quick read a couple of posts on the forum and saw someone had 272s with stock gears and they had a fine idle.
I don't know why this is happening to my car.. this is the first time it rejected a mod.
I'm just worried I'm hurting my car and you know from meeting me Al I really love my car.
In all of my posts on any forums, I wanted to make clear my feelings toward Pruven or Al's work was not bad in anyway. I told you my car pulls alot faster and I can feel the power difference, just the fact I can't stop the car or it shuts off.
I didn't mean to title the post that way just the fact I was panicing... I spent 2 grand that day and it left me in tight budget with bills, etc. I wanted to buy that forge bov but I really couldnt afford to buy it at the time.
Also Pruven is really far away from me, and it takes a good 3 hour drive to get home. I've just been really busy at work and dealing with other things I should've researched more about the cams. I just quick read a couple of posts on the forum and saw someone had 272s with stock gears and they had a fine idle.
I don't know why this is happening to my car.. this is the first time it rejected a mod.
I'm just worried I'm hurting my car and you know from meeting me Al I really love my car.
In all of my posts on any forums, I wanted to make clear my feelings toward Pruven or Al's work was not bad in anyway. I told you my car pulls alot faster and I can feel the power difference, just the fact I can't stop the car or it shuts off.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
"HELP - Cam instalation screwed up my car "
Do you think that is a fair thing to post on a internet forum ?
I dont like the way you wrote the title of this thread and I dont think its fair
For those taking a quick read they may assume that your cams were not installed correctetly and they may not take the time to follow all the details
Would it not have been better to say somthing like
"My car is idling bad and got a cel - can any one give me some advice ?"
first of all it should be noted that neither Pruven or myself selected or sold you ANY of your parts . You came in to have the cams YOU selected installed and tuned. I would not recomend the set up you chose. On a stock ecu I suggest a FORGE re-circulating BOV and 264 cams which will give you a near stock idle and the same power.
Of course you dont get the "sound" of the hks bov - but your car wont idle like ***** either
Anyway - we were working the best we could with YOUR PARTS
I apprecaite your business and want to help you - HOWEVER
You must realize that generally speaking having the combo of 272 cams and a VTA BOV makes for a really rough idle . This is becuase with a MAF sesnor equiped car, when you vent the BOV you are released metered air and the car goes rich. Then the ecu tries to compensate by making the car too lean and so forth.
The reason why your problem got worse is becuase with the 272 cams it rediuces the vacum and the maf sesnor has a tougher time reading the air accuaretly at idel
After idle - the cars run fine but the idle like crap with that combo
ALL OF THIS I personally explained to you - and offered to sell you a re-circulating BOV and have pruven fab it onto your upper fmic ON THE SPOT - your answer (I dont have any money left ) $200 and about an hour later and your car could have been idling MUCH better with a r-circulating bov and you could have sold that HKS unit.
NO WHERE IN YOUR POST do you mention that we already spoke about your problems
It pains me to realize that everything I am typing was already explained to you - maybe you did not understand ?
To go through the gory details more closely
Originally the car was not functioning properly as the MBC was mis-installed - one hour of bost leak tests later and a re-instalation of the MBC and the car was holding boost
I test drove your car - said the idle sucked - I re-adjusted you air by pass screw on the TB and it got slightly better. You then went for your own test drive and said your idle may be too fast now. I checked it and it was dead on 940.
When i drove your car there was a sound comming from the back of the car
Dan at Pruven test drove your car and discovered that the exhuast was not hung properly and was rubbing against the driveshaft
We agreed that you would go back to the shop in MA which originally installed your exhuast to adjust it - (Pruven did not tocuh your exhuast that day)
As for your 0300 code problem - some cars that we tune with the 272 cams get a 0300 code problem. This is common on evos with cams and even some without. it did not appear during the test drive or on the dyno - murphy's law
In any event - there are some corrections I can make to minimize the effect of the 0300 code problem - however they do have the effect of also making the idle even wrose
The other solution is to have a
dealer reflash your ecu with the most up to date 0300 code flash version and then I can simply reflash your custom map over that - in most cases that will fix it. This can be done by fed ex.
finally - when you start to modify cars with significant mods like cams and VTA bov's you can get some minor annoynace. The way to handle them is contact your tuner by PM or email and work towards a solution. This type of thread is counter productive and solves nothing
I am super annoyed by this as Pruven has done about 300 cams installs for my customers and they all went off 100% perfect without a problem
You seem like a nice guy and I am sorry that your car has these minor issues, however - I think you fail to realize the harm you can do to a shops reputation with these kind of misleading threads.
Pruven and myself are very willing to help people to solve any problems - HOWEVER - in this case it seems that in reality you did not like the advice I gave you (change the bov) and you are looking for other alternatives. This is fine but no need to make il advised overly dramatic thread titles in the process
Do you think that is a fair thing to post on a internet forum ?
I dont like the way you wrote the title of this thread and I dont think its fair
For those taking a quick read they may assume that your cams were not installed correctetly and they may not take the time to follow all the details
Would it not have been better to say somthing like
"My car is idling bad and got a cel - can any one give me some advice ?"
first of all it should be noted that neither Pruven or myself selected or sold you ANY of your parts . You came in to have the cams YOU selected installed and tuned. I would not recomend the set up you chose. On a stock ecu I suggest a FORGE re-circulating BOV and 264 cams which will give you a near stock idle and the same power.
Of course you dont get the "sound" of the hks bov - but your car wont idle like ***** either
Anyway - we were working the best we could with YOUR PARTS
I apprecaite your business and want to help you - HOWEVER
You must realize that generally speaking having the combo of 272 cams and a VTA BOV makes for a really rough idle . This is becuase with a MAF sesnor equiped car, when you vent the BOV you are released metered air and the car goes rich. Then the ecu tries to compensate by making the car too lean and so forth.
The reason why your problem got worse is becuase with the 272 cams it rediuces the vacum and the maf sesnor has a tougher time reading the air accuaretly at idel
After idle - the cars run fine but the idle like crap with that combo
ALL OF THIS I personally explained to you - and offered to sell you a re-circulating BOV and have pruven fab it onto your upper fmic ON THE SPOT - your answer (I dont have any money left ) $200 and about an hour later and your car could have been idling MUCH better with a r-circulating bov and you could have sold that HKS unit.
NO WHERE IN YOUR POST do you mention that we already spoke about your problems
It pains me to realize that everything I am typing was already explained to you - maybe you did not understand ?
To go through the gory details more closely
Originally the car was not functioning properly as the MBC was mis-installed - one hour of bost leak tests later and a re-instalation of the MBC and the car was holding boost
I test drove your car - said the idle sucked - I re-adjusted you air by pass screw on the TB and it got slightly better. You then went for your own test drive and said your idle may be too fast now. I checked it and it was dead on 940.
When i drove your car there was a sound comming from the back of the car
Dan at Pruven test drove your car and discovered that the exhuast was not hung properly and was rubbing against the driveshaft
We agreed that you would go back to the shop in MA which originally installed your exhuast to adjust it - (Pruven did not tocuh your exhuast that day)
As for your 0300 code problem - some cars that we tune with the 272 cams get a 0300 code problem. This is common on evos with cams and even some without. it did not appear during the test drive or on the dyno - murphy's law
In any event - there are some corrections I can make to minimize the effect of the 0300 code problem - however they do have the effect of also making the idle even wrose
The other solution is to have a
dealer reflash your ecu with the most up to date 0300 code flash version and then I can simply reflash your custom map over that - in most cases that will fix it. This can be done by fed ex.finally - when you start to modify cars with significant mods like cams and VTA bov's you can get some minor annoynace. The way to handle them is contact your tuner by PM or email and work towards a solution. This type of thread is counter productive and solves nothing
I am super annoyed by this as Pruven has done about 300 cams installs for my customers and they all went off 100% perfect without a problem
You seem like a nice guy and I am sorry that your car has these minor issues, however - I think you fail to realize the harm you can do to a shops reputation with these kind of misleading threads.
Pruven and myself are very willing to help people to solve any problems - HOWEVER - in this case it seems that in reality you did not like the advice I gave you (change the bov) and you are looking for other alternatives. This is fine but no need to make il advised overly dramatic thread titles in the process
Yes I do...
Originally Posted by ev08buoy
Actually Al, I left you a message on your phone and you didn't get back to me so I figured you were busy.. That's why I wanted advice from the forum.
I didn't mean to title the post that way just the fact I was panicing... I spent 2 grand that day and it left me in tight budget with bills, etc. I wanted to buy that forge bov but I really couldnt afford to buy it at the time.
Also Pruven is really far away from me, and it takes a good 3 hour drive to get home. I've just been really busy at work and dealing with other things I should've researched more about the cams. I just quick read a couple of posts on the forum and saw someone had 272s with stock gears and they had a fine idle.
I don't know why this is happening to my car.. this is the first time it rejected a mod.
I'm just worried I'm hurting my car and you know from meeting me Al I really love my car.
In all of my posts on any forums, I wanted to make clear my feelings toward Pruven or Al's work was not bad in anyway. I told you my car pulls alot faster and I can feel the power difference, just the fact I can't stop the car or it shuts off.
I didn't mean to title the post that way just the fact I was panicing... I spent 2 grand that day and it left me in tight budget with bills, etc. I wanted to buy that forge bov but I really couldnt afford to buy it at the time.
Also Pruven is really far away from me, and it takes a good 3 hour drive to get home. I've just been really busy at work and dealing with other things I should've researched more about the cams. I just quick read a couple of posts on the forum and saw someone had 272s with stock gears and they had a fine idle.
I don't know why this is happening to my car.. this is the first time it rejected a mod.
I'm just worried I'm hurting my car and you know from meeting me Al I really love my car.
In all of my posts on any forums, I wanted to make clear my feelings toward Pruven or Al's work was not bad in anyway. I told you my car pulls alot faster and I can feel the power difference, just the fact I can't stop the car or it shuts off.
Please, please, please put the stock rec. valve in until you get a suitable replacement. Thank you.
Originally Posted by ev08buoy
Actually Al, I left you a message on your phone and you didn't get back to me so I figured you were busy.. That's why I wanted advice from the forum.
I didn't mean to title the post that way just the fact I was panicing... I spent 2 grand that day and it left me in tight budget with bills, etc. I wanted to buy that forge bov but I really couldnt afford to buy it at the time.
Also Pruven is really far away from me, and it takes a good 3 hour drive to get home. I've just been really busy at work and dealing with other things I should've researched more about the cams. I just quick read a couple of posts on the forum and saw someone had 272s with stock gears and they had a fine idle.
I don't know why this is happening to my car.. this is the first time it rejected a mod.
I'm just worried I'm hurting my car and you know from meeting me Al I really love my car.
In all of my posts on any forums, I wanted to make clear my feelings toward Pruven or Al's work was not bad in anyway. I told you my car pulls alot faster and I can feel the power difference, just the fact I can't stop the car or it shuts off.
I didn't mean to title the post that way just the fact I was panicing... I spent 2 grand that day and it left me in tight budget with bills, etc. I wanted to buy that forge bov but I really couldnt afford to buy it at the time.
Also Pruven is really far away from me, and it takes a good 3 hour drive to get home. I've just been really busy at work and dealing with other things I should've researched more about the cams. I just quick read a couple of posts on the forum and saw someone had 272s with stock gears and they had a fine idle.
I don't know why this is happening to my car.. this is the first time it rejected a mod.
I'm just worried I'm hurting my car and you know from meeting me Al I really love my car.
In all of my posts on any forums, I wanted to make clear my feelings toward Pruven or Al's work was not bad in anyway. I told you my car pulls alot faster and I can feel the power difference, just the fact I can't stop the car or it shuts off.
My point is simply tailor what you post.
Sadly your custom upper fmic pipe does not allow you to simply replace the bov with the stock one which would render a easy diagnostic solution
Ya I'm going to dig through my crap and look for the stock parts to bring my recirculating bov until I can find a better one. Possibly forge, aps, or the jdm mr bov.
I need to have this car street drivable for atleast a couple weeks before I upgrade gears.
Thanks great to hear from you again Al, thanks for posting Precision.
I do concur
I need to have this car street drivable for atleast a couple weeks before I upgrade gears.
Thanks great to hear from you again Al, thanks for posting Precision.
I do concur
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i had a blitz vta, stock cams, but still idling problems, i put a jdm mr dv on........ problem solved, idle is very smooth, acceleration in smoother and power feels stronger. if i get cams i opt for the 264/264 combo, since you already have the 272's installed, smooth it out some w/ aftermarket cam gears....but definately change the bov, its the best thing i could of done.
I think ur right.. the funny thing is.. my VTA BOV was idleing perfect BEFORE the cam installs... I think the combo of both of them really gives me a miserable idle.
So I guess I could try putting the stock one back in.. aslong I can find all the original hoses for it.
Then as soon as I can, I'll get the adjustable cam gears.. I hope that fixes things.
Again I like to hear the suggestions and comments.. they help out alot and thats why I love this forum.
So I guess I could try putting the stock one back in.. aslong I can find all the original hoses for it.
Then as soon as I can, I'll get the adjustable cam gears.. I hope that fixes things.
Again I like to hear the suggestions and comments.. they help out alot and thats why I love this forum.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I concur with this advice 100%
Some of my customers even get the 280's which create a miserable idle and cant help you until after the power band of a stock turbo
264 / 264 HKS cams is the best combo for the stock turbo on a street driven car
if bigger was always better - then every cam would be a 360 degree duration
Some of my customers even get the 280's which create a miserable idle and cant help you until after the power band of a stock turbo
264 / 264 HKS cams is the best combo for the stock turbo on a street driven car
if bigger was always better - then every cam would be a 360 degree duration
I just installed my HKS 272's with stock cam gears, and a JDM MR BOV, The car's idle is ruff and needs a little help untill it is warmed up. Then it idles ok. I had to get on it just once because a mustang wanted some, and I threw a SES light. I should be getting tuned by Dynoflash on Monday to smooth everything out.
As far as the SES light, I just reset the ECU and will take it easy untill I get it tuned.
ev08buoy, "I spent 2 grand that day" I hope everything works out fine, and you fix your problems soon. You should edit the title of this thread, because when I clicked it I thought the shop screwed you over, and if you installed the cams yourself with the money you saved you could have bought the BOV to help fix the problem.
After the tune should I expect to get the SES light often? I hope not.
As far as the SES light, I just reset the ECU and will take it easy untill I get it tuned.
ev08buoy, "I spent 2 grand that day" I hope everything works out fine, and you fix your problems soon. You should edit the title of this thread, because when I clicked it I thought the shop screwed you over, and if you installed the cams yourself with the money you saved you could have bought the BOV to help fix the problem.
After the tune should I expect to get the SES light often? I hope not.
they dont all recirculate unless u buy the kit for it, some are just straight up vta.
ev08buoy if u like ur blow off valve so much and worked fine before the cams then just take out ur damn cams. u seem so attached to ur bov, that ur trying to find another reason, when both al and precision have already told u what to do buy u havent yet. i agree u titled this thread incorrectly because the first thing i read was, "HELP cam installation screwed up my car!!", then it stated that Precision dyno did the install. if i was ignorant or didnt feel like reading further this is all i wouldve remembered!
ev08buoy if u like ur blow off valve so much and worked fine before the cams then just take out ur damn cams. u seem so attached to ur bov, that ur trying to find another reason, when both al and precision have already told u what to do buy u havent yet. i agree u titled this thread incorrectly because the first thing i read was, "HELP cam installation screwed up my car!!", then it stated that Precision dyno did the install. if i was ignorant or didnt feel like reading further this is all i wouldve remembered!
