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Old May 24, 2006 | 12:36 AM
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to be more specific, at neutral/idle the sound is like a whirring sound. when you press the clutch in it stops. When you let the clutch out, it makes the sound.
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Old May 24, 2006 | 05:24 PM
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Dirk, I am for sure not challenging you with this what so ever. I respect you because you make a great product and have been in the DSM community, working with Mike W to make a great DSM/EVO product, so please know this is more of a question then anything.

Doesn't the throwout bearing get pressed into the pressure plate fingers by the clutch fork when you push down on the pedal?
Yes except technically the bearing pulls on the pressure plate fingers on the EVO.

From his discription (if I got it right) the noise dissapears only when the clutch is pushed to the point of disengagement. The release bearing would make noise or stop making noise as soon as you apply load with your foot and engagement wouldn't have anything to do with it. So the noise happens when the shaft is spinning which means it is probably trans related. A common noise like he described is gear rattle at idle. The noise is more apparent as the oils get up to temperature which is I think he was describing as well.
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Old May 24, 2006 | 05:37 PM
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^^^ This is why I went with ACT. They are the best. Titlton was nice, but nothing like a trusted product and great customer service.

Steve - Lets get together, I'll listen to it see if it sounds familiar. Compare rattles in the two cars. LOL
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Old May 24, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
All the noisy throwout bearings I have had in all my cars always went away when the clutch was put in. How did I know it was the TOB? When i replaced it with the clutch the noise went away. The TOB gets "loose" and rattles on the shaft over time. Engaging the clutch moves the fork that puts pressure on the TOB, "tightning" it up and stopping the noise.

That said, the needle bearings can produce this noise too, 8 out 10 times I have seen its actually the throwout bearings though. The 2 others where wear on the output shaft.
Sorry bro you may be right, I was reading down on this thread and someone said the throw out bearing pulls the pressure plate on an Evo Never seen than before. But I have not seen an Evo clutch in person yet, sure mine will be soon.
Remember I am thinking German Engineering here (VW tec) sorry
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Old May 24, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by vwjeff
Sorry bro you may be right, I was reading down on this thread and someone said the throw out bearing pulls the pressure plate on an Evo Never seen than before. But I have not seen an Evo clutch in person yet, sure mine will be soon.
Remember I am thinking German Engineering here (VW tec) sorry
German VW Engineering has got the EVO design beat for weirdness. They have the only cars that I know of where the pressure plate bolt to the crankshaft, the flywheel bolt on top of that, the clutch is operated by a rod that pokes through the input shaft and the release bearing is not in the belhousing! Talk about weird huh?
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Old May 24, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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so is the throw out bearing the same as the clutch??
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Old May 24, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jkim2001
so is the throw out bearing the same as the clutch??
???? The throwout bearing is also called the release bearing and normally pushes or pulls on the fingers or levers of the pressure plate to operate it.
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Old May 24, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Thanks for the explanation Dirk.

Still find it weird that the noises have gone away in the past when I replaced the clutch and TOB on DSMs...
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Old May 25, 2006 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Thanks for the explanation Dirk.

Still find it weird that the noises have gone away in the past when I replaced the clutch and TOB on DSMs...
It is probably a different noise, or if was the same type of noise it is because the dampening of the new clutch disc worked better to reduce the gear rattle than the old disc.
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Old May 30, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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Should we be worried?
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Old May 31, 2006 | 06:47 AM
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I have it, it is normal.

When the dealership told me they'd look at it, but I'd better be ready to replace the clutch, I decided it wasn't worth it. That was 15k miles ago. Clutch is fine, transmission is fine, noisy when warm.

I was thinking about it and looking at my tech manual. If it was the TOB, the noise should stop the moment any pressure is applied to the clutch. In this case, it only stops at full release. The commonality here is that when the input shaft is free-wheeling (spinning with no load), we hear the noise. When the clutch is disengaged, the input shaft no longer spins and the noise stops.

I'm inclined to agree with those who say it's the input shaft. Probably due to too much slop on the far end bearings (the end away from the clutch). But since nobody's come on here with a horror story of how their input shaft frag'd metal all over the tranny, I think the noise (while annoying) is harmless.

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Old May 31, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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I'm much less worried
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Old May 31, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Steve,

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Old May 31, 2006 | 03:38 PM
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If it is the same noise as DSMs commonly make at idle it is not the T/O bearing. It is coming from the opposite end of the transmission, right at the end of the case and far away from the T/O bearing. You can easily check with a mechanics stethoscope.
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Old May 31, 2006 | 03:58 PM
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Mine is getting louder as it is, its ennoying inside the car
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