TBE ok without tune?
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From: Dirty Jersey
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Newbie03 is correct on everything; Varrius is terribly wrong and does not know what he's talking about. Racerx's info was not relevant when mentioning 100oct.
1) Yes, TBE without a tune is fine - I'm not sure why you'd ask about doing just the cat-back vs the TBE - not sure where that came from.
2) The TBE costs twice as much for half the power as a flash - it won't be useful without a tune on your IX.
3) Yes, doing a TBE reduces backpressure which can fool the ECU into causing a much higher boost spike and higher sustained boost. This can lead to dangerous conditions and/or cause fuel cut, which is highly annoying and leads to an overboost CEL. It is not recommended to install a TBE without first installing a boost gauge. Anyone doing so is very foolish.
4) Likewise, to get the true gains of the TBE while ensuring your boost is properly in check, you should install an MBC along with it and the boost gauge.
5) Yes, the rules clearly state that you MUST search before posting a thread.
1) Yes, TBE without a tune is fine - I'm not sure why you'd ask about doing just the cat-back vs the TBE - not sure where that came from.
2) The TBE costs twice as much for half the power as a flash - it won't be useful without a tune on your IX.
3) Yes, doing a TBE reduces backpressure which can fool the ECU into causing a much higher boost spike and higher sustained boost. This can lead to dangerous conditions and/or cause fuel cut, which is highly annoying and leads to an overboost CEL. It is not recommended to install a TBE without first installing a boost gauge. Anyone doing so is very foolish.
4) Likewise, to get the true gains of the TBE while ensuring your boost is properly in check, you should install an MBC along with it and the boost gauge.
5) Yes, the rules clearly state that you MUST search before posting a thread.
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From: Green Book, NJ
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Newbie03 is correct on everything; Varrius is terribly wrong and does not know what he's talking about. Racerx's info was not relevant when mentioning 100oct.
1) Yes, TBE without a tune is fine - I'm not sure why you'd ask about doing just the cat-back vs the TBE - not sure where that came from.
2) The TBE costs twice as much for half the power as a flash - it won't be useful without a tune on your IX.
3) Yes, doing a TBE reduces backpressure which can fool the ECU into causing a much higher boost spike and higher sustained boost. This can lead to dangerous conditions and/or cause fuel cut, which is highly annoying and leads to an overboost CEL. It is not recommended to install a TBE without first installing a boost gauge. Anyone doing so is very foolish.
4) Likewise, to get the true gains of the TBE while ensuring your boost is properly in check, you should install an MBC along with it and the boost gauge.
5) Yes, the rules clearly state that you MUST search before posting a thread.
1) Yes, TBE without a tune is fine - I'm not sure why you'd ask about doing just the cat-back vs the TBE - not sure where that came from.
2) The TBE costs twice as much for half the power as a flash - it won't be useful without a tune on your IX.
3) Yes, doing a TBE reduces backpressure which can fool the ECU into causing a much higher boost spike and higher sustained boost. This can lead to dangerous conditions and/or cause fuel cut, which is highly annoying and leads to an overboost CEL. It is not recommended to install a TBE without first installing a boost gauge. Anyone doing so is very foolish.
4) Likewise, to get the true gains of the TBE while ensuring your boost is properly in check, you should install an MBC along with it and the boost gauge.
5) Yes, the rules clearly state that you MUST search before posting a thread.
Originally Posted by ihatepotholes
had to disagree with u, but i put down 303whp with TBE, drop in and a boost controller set at 19psi.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
That's not disagreeing with me. He doesn't have an MBC, which is a critical component when adding a TBE to a IX. Even so, your gains are not that much over stock depending on the dyno and weather conditions. You could be as high as 350whp with those mods and a tune, so in a way, you're agreeing with me. I doubt the boost is really 19psi, because that's lower than stock, and there's no reason to set your boost lower than stock. I'd have to see a MAP sensor log to verify.
Last edited by ihatepotholes; Nov 7, 2006 at 07:13 PM.
Um, I know. What made you think I thought otherwise? I said "you could be as high as 350whp with those mods and a tune," which means I know you didn't have a tune when you hit 303...
Um, yes, everything I said is in relation to the IX and with the knowledge that the IX ECU is more complex. It _can_ reduce boost when it detects extra airflow with no tuning or boost controller, but it doesn't always react this way. Sometimes, boost increases significantly due to less backpressure, and there's no way to know unless you have a boost gauge. Not having a boost gauge is begging for a blow motor.
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From: Dirty Jersey
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Potholes, it doesn't actually know the octane, but if the lower octane causes knock, then the ECU will pull timing to compensate. However, people HAVE blown motors from accidentally using 87oct, so although the ECU is good at preventing too much detonation, it can only go so far...
Originally Posted by SavEVOIX
Quick question...say perhaps I install my TBE and my turboXS boost controller...if I had the boost controller set at 0 ...would that help prevent any spiking ?
2) There is no "0" setting per se, but if you turn it all the way to minimum, then not only will it not spike, but you will only see base wastegate pressure, which is 11psi. I don't think you want to do that.
3) Why are you concerned about spiking? It's normal and expected, and as long as you keep it within the proper levels, it will be perfectly fine.
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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes
thanx, the guy at the gas station accidently put 87 in my tank, i caught him before i left. the gas station agreed to pay the tow and all that. so i towed my car to turbotrix, they didn't drain the tank compeletly, left like 2-3 gallons of 87 and then put 6 gallons of 93 in it told me that im fine to get on it... i didn't hear any knocks or anything, wonder if i should get a compression test.