Substitute for Mitsubishi's DiaQueen Gear Oil
I change mine every 10-15k and I still have plenty left in my canister. BTW, I ordered it on a Monday, received it on a Thursday.
Yeah, not sure why people buy it anywhere other than Mitsubishiparts.net. I'm not familiar with any hazmat charge either. I get both my Super DiaQueen and DiaQueen from Mitsubishiparts.net every time...
Oh, there's also a guy on here by the name of Spinz4, I think, who can get us kickass deals on any Mitsu OEM parts/fluids, so check with him.
Oh, there's also a guy on here by the name of Spinz4, I think, who can get us kickass deals on any Mitsu OEM parts/fluids, so check with him.
Thanks.... I just opened an account and will cave and order the OEM branded oil.
It just kills me to pay $9.95 shipping on a $35.05 item (28% increase). I'd rather pick up an alternative locally, but I guess its worth it.
If you just buy it in advance and keep it stored, then you have it when you need it. If something is as good or better and locally available, yeah, that's convenient. I'm just wondering why he thinks $33 from Mitsubishiparts.net is worth going on a safari hunt for a replacement fluid.
By the way... safari hunts are fun! You learn a lot and some times you find better solutions.
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I'll probably use LE-607, I used that stuff in my s2000 diff and its freaking amazing. The sheer load is 2-3 times higher than any other 90w GL5 on the market.
Here's why, and btw the guy who made these posts works in a lab that test this type of stuff for living.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=185775
(here's a clip from the review)
Now, 607 is nothing special on the surface - it is a paraffinic base (mineral) gear lube, and contains the same EP additives as the rest. Amsoil 75w90 tested out at about 350 Newtons (N) in my EP testing. Better than most 75w90's. A very good product. But LE has one more additive up its sleeve, and it's a dandy.
LE 607 tested out at over 1000 N! This must be attributable to their Almasol EP additive, which is proprietary and made by their additive subsidiary. According to their specifications, it has higher load bearing capacity than even moly, on the order of 400,000+ psi. Huge. They also claim it is inert and attracted to metal, forming a coating which fills in the gaps between asperities in a manner which increases load carrying capacity, while reducing friction at the boundary level. We were able to verify this by using SEM analysis (scanning electron microscopy). We treated a gear system with the 607 and ran it at high RPM, then removed a section for analysis. The treated metal looked very smooth compared to the untreated metal. This reduces friction and should result in lower operating temperatures.
The 607 was extremely low in adulterants, indicating it is made of very highly refined base stocks. It has no VI additives, of course, since it is a single-grade oil. It will also have complete shear stability. It is purple in color. The TBN was 1.5, typical for a gear oil. The flash point was around 400degF, somewhat lower than usually seen in a 90w, but inconsequential.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...0#entry4186800
Almasol is the "secret" ingredient in LE-607. which many of us have found to be a good product meeting Honda's specific lube recommendation for its differential in the S2000: An SAE 90 GL-5 lube.
It uses a GII paraffininc, mid-continent base stock, which is then highly refined. EP and other additives, including a pour point depressant, are added. This particular paraffin (a "lowly" GII) has many of the qualities of GIV lubes, in that it is highly saturated, making it much more mono-molecular than most mineral oils, and closer to a PAO in its physical properties. This, plus the refining and the reduced wax crystals in the base stock, allow a pour point of -11 degF, which is exceptionally low for a straight-grade mineral oil. Most are 20 degF higher. This base stock also has a higher flash point than most GIV PAO's.
The "secret" ingredient is the Almasol. What the heck is it? Well, LE told us it is a dry film lubricant, made by their own subsidiary, and that it is a tan powder. They also show that it is chemically inert, which means it won't form nasty acidic compounds when reacted with air in the presence of heat - nor will it form toxic compounds like PTFE can under the same conditions. We also know that it has physical load-capacity equal to that of molybdenum di-sulphide, but even that best form of moly can react with oxygen when exposed to high temperatures, such as might be encountered in the asperities of a hypoid ring/pinion when they are sliding over one another.
Well, old RR found out what the stuff is: it is a ceramic! Aluminum, magnesium, and silicate. Just as ceramics are being used in supercar brake rotors, LE is using this incredibly strong, inert substance as part of their additive package in LE-607. You will not find that anywhere else. I do know that ceramics may one day be used in engine blocks, as it can be made incredibly strong, contains heat much better than any other substance, and can be made with amazingly consistent density (did you know that the best mirrors used in telescopes are no longer glass, they are ceramics? The reason is that glass, even when super-pure, does not have the clarity and freedom from distortion tat a ceramic has - very important when you are looking at tiny objects light-years away - these mirrors have to be left to cool in the most geogrpahically benign places on earth [Spain], because even the slightest tremor will cause a distortion of the ceramic lens).
The use of this in a gear lube is very clever, and simply ingenious. The substance will not conglomerate, yet in many ways is stronger than the material it is designed to protect, and laughs off high pressures and temperatures.
Here's why, and btw the guy who made these posts works in a lab that test this type of stuff for living.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=185775
(here's a clip from the review)
Now, 607 is nothing special on the surface - it is a paraffinic base (mineral) gear lube, and contains the same EP additives as the rest. Amsoil 75w90 tested out at about 350 Newtons (N) in my EP testing. Better than most 75w90's. A very good product. But LE has one more additive up its sleeve, and it's a dandy.
LE 607 tested out at over 1000 N! This must be attributable to their Almasol EP additive, which is proprietary and made by their additive subsidiary. According to their specifications, it has higher load bearing capacity than even moly, on the order of 400,000+ psi. Huge. They also claim it is inert and attracted to metal, forming a coating which fills in the gaps between asperities in a manner which increases load carrying capacity, while reducing friction at the boundary level. We were able to verify this by using SEM analysis (scanning electron microscopy). We treated a gear system with the 607 and ran it at high RPM, then removed a section for analysis. The treated metal looked very smooth compared to the untreated metal. This reduces friction and should result in lower operating temperatures.
The 607 was extremely low in adulterants, indicating it is made of very highly refined base stocks. It has no VI additives, of course, since it is a single-grade oil. It will also have complete shear stability. It is purple in color. The TBN was 1.5, typical for a gear oil. The flash point was around 400degF, somewhat lower than usually seen in a 90w, but inconsequential.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...0#entry4186800
Almasol is the "secret" ingredient in LE-607. which many of us have found to be a good product meeting Honda's specific lube recommendation for its differential in the S2000: An SAE 90 GL-5 lube.
It uses a GII paraffininc, mid-continent base stock, which is then highly refined. EP and other additives, including a pour point depressant, are added. This particular paraffin (a "lowly" GII) has many of the qualities of GIV lubes, in that it is highly saturated, making it much more mono-molecular than most mineral oils, and closer to a PAO in its physical properties. This, plus the refining and the reduced wax crystals in the base stock, allow a pour point of -11 degF, which is exceptionally low for a straight-grade mineral oil. Most are 20 degF higher. This base stock also has a higher flash point than most GIV PAO's.
The "secret" ingredient is the Almasol. What the heck is it? Well, LE told us it is a dry film lubricant, made by their own subsidiary, and that it is a tan powder. They also show that it is chemically inert, which means it won't form nasty acidic compounds when reacted with air in the presence of heat - nor will it form toxic compounds like PTFE can under the same conditions. We also know that it has physical load-capacity equal to that of molybdenum di-sulphide, but even that best form of moly can react with oxygen when exposed to high temperatures, such as might be encountered in the asperities of a hypoid ring/pinion when they are sliding over one another.
Well, old RR found out what the stuff is: it is a ceramic! Aluminum, magnesium, and silicate. Just as ceramics are being used in supercar brake rotors, LE is using this incredibly strong, inert substance as part of their additive package in LE-607. You will not find that anywhere else. I do know that ceramics may one day be used in engine blocks, as it can be made incredibly strong, contains heat much better than any other substance, and can be made with amazingly consistent density (did you know that the best mirrors used in telescopes are no longer glass, they are ceramics? The reason is that glass, even when super-pure, does not have the clarity and freedom from distortion tat a ceramic has - very important when you are looking at tiny objects light-years away - these mirrors have to be left to cool in the most geogrpahically benign places on earth [Spain], because even the slightest tremor will cause a distortion of the ceramic lens).
The use of this in a gear lube is very clever, and simply ingenious. The substance will not conglomerate, yet in many ways is stronger than the material it is designed to protect, and laughs off high pressures and temperatures.
I'll probably use LE-607, I used that stuff in my s2000 diff and its freaking amazing. The sheer load is 2-3 times higher than any other 90w GL5 on the market.
Here's why, and btw the guy who made these posts works in a lab that test this type of stuff for living.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=185775
(here's a clip from the review)
Now, 607 is nothing special on the surface - it is a paraffinic base (mineral) gear lube, and contains the same EP additives as the rest. Amsoil 75w90 tested out at about 350 Newtons (N) in my EP testing. Better than most 75w90's. A very good product. But LE has one more additive up its sleeve, and it's a dandy.
LE 607 tested out at over 1000 N! This must be attributable to their Almasol EP additive, which is proprietary and made by their additive subsidiary. According to their specifications, it has higher load bearing capacity than even moly, on the order of 400,000+ psi. Huge. They also claim it is inert and attracted to metal, forming a coating which fills in the gaps between asperities in a manner which increases load carrying capacity, while reducing friction at the boundary level. We were able to verify this by using SEM analysis (scanning electron microscopy). We treated a gear system with the 607 and ran it at high RPM, then removed a section for analysis. The treated metal looked very smooth compared to the untreated metal. This reduces friction and should result in lower operating temperatures.
The 607 was extremely low in adulterants, indicating it is made of very highly refined base stocks. It has no VI additives, of course, since it is a single-grade oil. It will also have complete shear stability. It is purple in color. The TBN was 1.5, typical for a gear oil. The flash point was around 400degF, somewhat lower than usually seen in a 90w, but inconsequential.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...0#entry4186800
Almasol is the "secret" ingredient in LE-607. which many of us have found to be a good product meeting Honda's specific lube recommendation for its differential in the S2000: An SAE 90 GL-5 lube.
It uses a GII paraffininc, mid-continent base stock, which is then highly refined. EP and other additives, including a pour point depressant, are added. This particular paraffin (a "lowly" GII) has many of the qualities of GIV lubes, in that it is highly saturated, making it much more mono-molecular than most mineral oils, and closer to a PAO in its physical properties. This, plus the refining and the reduced wax crystals in the base stock, allow a pour point of -11 degF, which is exceptionally low for a straight-grade mineral oil. Most are 20 degF higher. This base stock also has a higher flash point than most GIV PAO's.
The "secret" ingredient is the Almasol. What the heck is it? Well, LE told us it is a dry film lubricant, made by their own subsidiary, and that it is a tan powder. They also show that it is chemically inert, which means it won't form nasty acidic compounds when reacted with air in the presence of heat - nor will it form toxic compounds like PTFE can under the same conditions. We also know that it has physical load-capacity equal to that of molybdenum di-sulphide, but even that best form of moly can react with oxygen when exposed to high temperatures, such as might be encountered in the asperities of a hypoid ring/pinion when they are sliding over one another.
Well, old RR found out what the stuff is: it is a ceramic! Aluminum, magnesium, and silicate. Just as ceramics are being used in supercar brake rotors, LE is using this incredibly strong, inert substance as part of their additive package in LE-607. You will not find that anywhere else. I do know that ceramics may one day be used in engine blocks, as it can be made incredibly strong, contains heat much better than any other substance, and can be made with amazingly consistent density (did you know that the best mirrors used in telescopes are no longer glass, they are ceramics? The reason is that glass, even when super-pure, does not have the clarity and freedom from distortion tat a ceramic has - very important when you are looking at tiny objects light-years away - these mirrors have to be left to cool in the most geogrpahically benign places on earth [Spain], because even the slightest tremor will cause a distortion of the ceramic lens).
The use of this in a gear lube is very clever, and simply ingenious. The substance will not conglomerate, yet in many ways is stronger than the material it is designed to protect, and laughs off high pressures and temperatures.
Here's why, and btw the guy who made these posts works in a lab that test this type of stuff for living.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=185775
(here's a clip from the review)
Now, 607 is nothing special on the surface - it is a paraffinic base (mineral) gear lube, and contains the same EP additives as the rest. Amsoil 75w90 tested out at about 350 Newtons (N) in my EP testing. Better than most 75w90's. A very good product. But LE has one more additive up its sleeve, and it's a dandy.
LE 607 tested out at over 1000 N! This must be attributable to their Almasol EP additive, which is proprietary and made by their additive subsidiary. According to their specifications, it has higher load bearing capacity than even moly, on the order of 400,000+ psi. Huge. They also claim it is inert and attracted to metal, forming a coating which fills in the gaps between asperities in a manner which increases load carrying capacity, while reducing friction at the boundary level. We were able to verify this by using SEM analysis (scanning electron microscopy). We treated a gear system with the 607 and ran it at high RPM, then removed a section for analysis. The treated metal looked very smooth compared to the untreated metal. This reduces friction and should result in lower operating temperatures.
The 607 was extremely low in adulterants, indicating it is made of very highly refined base stocks. It has no VI additives, of course, since it is a single-grade oil. It will also have complete shear stability. It is purple in color. The TBN was 1.5, typical for a gear oil. The flash point was around 400degF, somewhat lower than usually seen in a 90w, but inconsequential.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...0#entry4186800
Almasol is the "secret" ingredient in LE-607. which many of us have found to be a good product meeting Honda's specific lube recommendation for its differential in the S2000: An SAE 90 GL-5 lube.
It uses a GII paraffininc, mid-continent base stock, which is then highly refined. EP and other additives, including a pour point depressant, are added. This particular paraffin (a "lowly" GII) has many of the qualities of GIV lubes, in that it is highly saturated, making it much more mono-molecular than most mineral oils, and closer to a PAO in its physical properties. This, plus the refining and the reduced wax crystals in the base stock, allow a pour point of -11 degF, which is exceptionally low for a straight-grade mineral oil. Most are 20 degF higher. This base stock also has a higher flash point than most GIV PAO's.
The "secret" ingredient is the Almasol. What the heck is it? Well, LE told us it is a dry film lubricant, made by their own subsidiary, and that it is a tan powder. They also show that it is chemically inert, which means it won't form nasty acidic compounds when reacted with air in the presence of heat - nor will it form toxic compounds like PTFE can under the same conditions. We also know that it has physical load-capacity equal to that of molybdenum di-sulphide, but even that best form of moly can react with oxygen when exposed to high temperatures, such as might be encountered in the asperities of a hypoid ring/pinion when they are sliding over one another.
Well, old RR found out what the stuff is: it is a ceramic! Aluminum, magnesium, and silicate. Just as ceramics are being used in supercar brake rotors, LE is using this incredibly strong, inert substance as part of their additive package in LE-607. You will not find that anywhere else. I do know that ceramics may one day be used in engine blocks, as it can be made incredibly strong, contains heat much better than any other substance, and can be made with amazingly consistent density (did you know that the best mirrors used in telescopes are no longer glass, they are ceramics? The reason is that glass, even when super-pure, does not have the clarity and freedom from distortion tat a ceramic has - very important when you are looking at tiny objects light-years away - these mirrors have to be left to cool in the most geogrpahically benign places on earth [Spain], because even the slightest tremor will cause a distortion of the ceramic lens).
The use of this in a gear lube is very clever, and simply ingenious. The substance will not conglomerate, yet in many ways is stronger than the material it is designed to protect, and laughs off high pressures and temperatures.
Thanks for the info. I check out the details later... seems very promising.
Just an FYI... I checked my VIII manual (2005 version) and it does NOT state you can deviate from 90W. It states use " Mitsubishi Limited Slip Defferential Oil (LSD) or equivalent.
For the transmission (not being discussed here) it states SAE 75-85W or 75W-90 for the 5 speed, and DiaQueen Super Multi-Gear, or exact equivalent SAE 75W-85 for the 6 speed.
So for the Front and Rear Differentials, it has to be GL-5 90W (see pages 7-13, and 9-8 in the owners manual)
Try Redline 90w Gear Oil GL5 for Hypoid Gears
100% synthetic and it meets exactly what the OEM fluid has, plus better heat resistant, much better thermal breakdown and alot better oil consistency.
100% synthetic and it meets exactly what the OEM fluid has, plus better heat resistant, much better thermal breakdown and alot better oil consistency.
I stopped at the dealership today to pick up some fluid. They don't sell it. They only have it in bulk. I said to hell with that. I'm just letting them do it all for me for me.
It'll save me the trouble I had last time I did my Mirage tranny with Redline MT90. Our syphon guns at my Honda dealership would not suck up the MT90 fluid. Too thick. I could only add like 1/16 of a quart at a time. Took me about 30 minutes or more to fill it back up, haha.
It'll save me the trouble I had last time I did my Mirage tranny with Redline MT90. Our syphon guns at my Honda dealership would not suck up the MT90 fluid. Too thick. I could only add like 1/16 of a quart at a time. Took me about 30 minutes or more to fill it back up, haha.
THere are a few shops here in town that put Redline 75W-90 in the rear diff and Heavyweight Shoockproof in the TC.
I have been doing this for the past 20,000 miles and no problems.
I also use a fully synthetic 75W-85 MOPAR fluid in the tranny, which is an exact equivalent of the Super DiaQueen.
I have been doing this for the past 20,000 miles and no problems.
I also use a fully synthetic 75W-85 MOPAR fluid in the tranny, which is an exact equivalent of the Super DiaQueen.
if $65 is all dia queen costs for the regular customer at mitsubishi's parts and a transfer case is $3500 (with acd) from mitsubishi or a rebuild and down time of your car not including installation costs. I would buy the dia queen over a t-case any day of the week befor i try any other fluids in a 3500 car part.
Just an FYI... I checked my VIII manual (2005 version) and it does NOT state you can deviate from 90W. It states use " Mitsubishi Limited Slip Defferential Oil (LSD) or equivalent.
For the transmission (not being discussed here) it states SAE 75-85W or 75W-90 for the 5 speed, and DiaQueen Super Multi-Gear, or exact equivalent SAE 75W-85 for the 6 speed.
So for the Front and Rear Differentials, it has to be GL-5 90W (see pages 7-13, and 9-8 in the owners manual)
For the transmission (not being discussed here) it states SAE 75-85W or 75W-90 for the 5 speed, and DiaQueen Super Multi-Gear, or exact equivalent SAE 75W-85 for the 6 speed.
So for the Front and Rear Differentials, it has to be GL-5 90W (see pages 7-13, and 9-8 in the owners manual)
Please explain to me how the line "or equivalent" states that you should NOT deviate...