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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:32 AM
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I think that the Mustang is the most accurate and reads about 20-22% lower than the crank #'s. Most Dynojets are about close to crank Hp. These are good things to know when you get that printout at the shop of your choice. Im in CT and all the surrounding shops near me use the Dynojet and all were overinflated by the shop or tuner.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BURNALL_4
HP calculators are very hard to judge on an awd car. On a car making 400 whp cutting 1.6 and 1.5 60's and going 11's and say Dave Buschurs black car making 900+whp and there best 60' is a 1.4 something. Their trap speeds are ALOT higher than what the car is going to run because the 60' is down. Them trapping 175mph is good for a mid 7. They will never see that because they can't launch the car and get the 60' like a 1.1 that they need to do it. There's a 60' to WHP curve so to speek. In a rwd car that makes 900whp you'd expect to cut somewhere around a 1.1 60'. Their trap speed would be down to probally 160 something.

After a certain point the AWD kills you. Most of us will never see that point. Good luck in your research, but I think using a hp calc is the wrong thing to use. Better to use trap speed and compair dyno sheets and mod lists. Unfortunately thats going to be hard to do because not everyone is a pro driver. So the trap speeds are going to be off, but you might be able to get a good idea of whats going on.

Good luck!
I think that the Et has the most variables not the MPH. Have you ever bogged off the line and then still run your highest MPH? I have.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:49 AM
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when i ran my 119, i didnt launch.... i rolled off the line and gave her the business.

the 116 was with a launch and a terrible 1.7 60
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 08:14 AM
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I'll add to this.

Mustang Dyno........HP in sig.

The highest trap so far w/o "no-lift shifting" is 131mph.

Haven't had 1 clean pass while being able to stay in boost between shifts to see what it can really trap........i'm still learning how my car likes to be shifted
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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If you have a person that can't drive very well the ET and MPH are not going to match the dyno numbers either. So you have to take that into consideration too.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 08:38 AM
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i thought dyno's were used more as a tuning tool
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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At 405 Hp and lets say 20% for driveline loss as qouted by the owner of this dynojet I used, it translates to 486 HP. I went 119 MPH(rounded up) at 3205 pounds. According to that BS reading I should trap near 125 MPH!!

As far as the calculators not being accurate, thats only half true. The ET portion of the formula has too many variables to be really accurate, but the MPH portion is surprisingly accurate IMHO.
You see that is what I am saying, horsepower calculators are cool, but most do not take into account other factors such as gearing, areodynamics, or even track conditions.

I am not saying all dyno jets read accurately, I am just saying that in my opinion most are pretty accurate in determining horsepower. I mean there are so many EVOs out there that are modded that it is fairly simple to determine where you stand or should stand. If some one takes there EVO to one Dyno Jet and puts down 415whp and with the same mods and relatively same condions take his or her car to another Dyno Jet and puts down say 485whp then in my opinion common sense should play a role in this. If there are plenty of EVOs out there with somewhat similiar mods putting down 410-420whp then it should be assumed that the 485whp number is way high. What if you have factory freak? Ok, then take your car to strip, and if it is truly making 485whp then it should trap around 125-127mph. If your car only traps 120mph, then it is again easy to assume that the 485whp is way high. Like I said, there are so many EVOs out there running 1/4 miles and putting down numbers on the dyno that is easy to assume where your car stands.


As far as dyno jets go, this is where most EVOs fall in line with-

EVO 300-320whp (360-384hp) - 109-113mph

EVO 320-350whp (384-420hp)- 112-116mph
Comparable to a C5 Corvette Z06

EVO 350-370whp (420-444hp)- 115-117mph
Comparable to 997 911 GT3
Comparable to C6 Corvette

EVO 370-400whp (444-480hp)- 116-120mph
Comparable to Ferrari 430

EVO 400-420whp (480-504hp)- 119-122mph
Comparable to 996 911 GT2

EVO 420-450whp (504-540hp)- 121-124mph
Comparable to 997 911 GT2
Comparable to C6 Corvette Z06

EVO 450-500whp (540-600hp)- 123-127mph
Comparable to Ford GT
Comparable to Dodge Viper SRT-10 (600hp)

EVO 500-550whp (600-660hp)- 126-129mph

EVO 550-600whp (660-720hp)- 129-132mph
Comparable to Ferrari Enzo

As you can see the numbers do most of the time match up. Let us say a EVO put down 565whp and trapped 130.8mph, how does that compare to an Enzo.

GT35R Turbo EVO
565whp (678hp)
3200Lbs
1/4 Mile Trap Speed- 130.8mph

vs,

Ferrari Enzo
660HP
3000Lbs
1/4 Mile Trap Speed- 134.6mph

18hp advantage to EVO, but Enzo weighs 200Lbs less and is a top end monster, so it pulls a lot harder than most EVOs at speeds in the tripple digits.

As far as what reads the most accurate, well you shouldn't compare numbers from a DJ to a Mustang or a true reading DD dyno. The best way to compare, is to compare numbers from the same type of dyno.

It is hard to explain, but if you have a EVO IX (3300Lbs)- stock turbo, many bolt ons and cams and put down 362whp on a Dyno Jet then that is about 434hp. You should do around 115-116mph in the 1/4 mile. A new BMW M3 weighs in about 3700-3800Lbs and is rated at about 420hp and it traps about 111-112mph. So I would say the 362whp is fairly accurate.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PATRICK B.
I'll add to this.

Mustang Dyno........HP in sig.

The highest trap so far w/o "no-lift shifting" is 131mph.

Haven't had 1 clean pass while being able to stay in boost between shifts to see what it can really trap........i'm still learning how my car likes to be shifted
I saw consistent 131 traps from 475 on a Mustang Dyno (DTM Dyno), lifting to shift, 1.7's and 1.8's all day (not me)
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bluebyu36
i thought dyno's were used more as a tuning tool
they are but some people live and die by them. it's used to show the powerband and before/after, also gives a pretty accurate baseline reading.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
You see that is what I am saying, horsepower calculators are cool, but most do not take into account other factors such as gearing, areodynamics, or even track conditions.

I am not saying all dyno jets read accurately, I am just saying that in my opinion most are pretty accurate in determining horsepower. I mean there are so many EVOs out there that are modded that it is fairly simple to determine where you stand or should stand. If some one takes there EVO to one Dyno Jet and puts down 415whp and with the same mods and relatively same condions take his or her car to another Dyno Jet and puts down say 485whp then in my opinion common sense should play a role in this. If there are plenty of EVOs out there with somewhat similiar mods putting down 410-420whp then it should be assumed that the 485whp number is way high. What if you have factory freak? Ok, then take your car to strip, and if it is truly making 485whp then it should trap around 125-127mph. If your car only traps 120mph, then it is again easy to assume that the 485whp is way high. Like I said, there are so many EVOs out there running 1/4 miles and putting down numbers on the dyno that is easy to assume where your car stands.


As far as dyno jets go, this is where most EVOs fall in line with-

EVO 300-320whp (360-384hp) - 109-113mph

EVO 320-350whp (384-420hp)- 112-116mph
Comparable to a C5 Corvette Z06

EVO 350-370whp (420-444hp)- 115-117mph
Comparable to 997 911 GT3
Comparable to C6 Corvette

EVO 370-400whp (444-480hp)- 116-120mph
Comparable to Ferrari 430

EVO 400-420whp (480-504hp)- 119-122mph
Comparable to 996 911 GT2

EVO 420-450whp (504-540hp)- 121-124mph
Comparable to 997 911 GT2
Comparable to C6 Corvette Z06

EVO 450-500whp (540-600hp)- 123-127mph
Comparable to Ford GT
Comparable to Dodge Viper SRT-10 (600hp)

EVO 500-550whp (600-660hp)- 126-129mph

EVO 550-600whp (660-720hp)- 129-132mph
Comparable to Ferrari Enzo

As you can see the numbers do most of the time match up. Let us say a EVO put down 565whp and trapped 130.8mph, how does that compare to an Enzo.

GT35R Turbo EVO
565whp (678hp)
3200Lbs
1/4 Mile Trap Speed- 130.8mph

vs,

Ferrari Enzo
660HP
3000Lbs
1/4 Mile Trap Speed- 134.6mph

18hp advantage to EVO, but Enzo weighs 200Lbs less and is a top end monster, so it pulls a lot harder than most EVOs at speeds in the tripple digits.

As far as what reads the most accurate, well you shouldn't compare numbers from a DJ to a Mustang or a true reading DD dyno. The best way to compare, is to compare numbers from the same type of dyno.

It is hard to explain, but if you have a EVO IX (3300Lbs)- stock turbo, many bolt ons and cams and put down 362whp on a Dyno Jet then that is about 434hp. You should do around 115-116mph in the 1/4 mile. A new BMW M3 weighs in about 3700-3800Lbs and is rated at about 420hp and it traps about 111-112mph. So I would say the 362whp is fairly accurate.
This is a great post. I agree.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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peak #'s do not = an accurate way to guess trap speeds.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by warp9
I think that the Mustang is the most accurate and reads about 20-22% lower than the crank #'s. Most Dynojets are about close to crank Hp. These are good things to know when you get that printout at the shop of your choice. Im in CT and all the surrounding shops near me use the Dynojet and all were overinflated by the shop or tuner.
I disagree with this statement, your saying that flywheel rated 405hp 3200Lbs cars trap 119-120mph. Find me one? The closest to that is a 2007 911 GT3 and it is rated at 415hp, weighs less, and pulls harder than a EVO at top end speeds and the quickest I've ever seen from one of those is 117mph traps. Honestly it doesn't really matter because a dyno is a tuning tool. But if you want to convert numbers to hp ratings like a car manufactuer the most accurate is a Dyno Jet.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JordanS4
peak #'s do not = an accurate way to guess trap speeds.
Exactly that is why I have ranges. I am just saying that if your car is in the neighboor hood, you should be around a certain range. I am not saying that one car that does 480whp would automatically trap faster than another car that does 460whp. There are SO many factors that come into account. But what I thought was the point of this thread was to determine which Dyno is the most accurate in determining similiar numbers to what Manufactuers rate horsepower, and I believe a Dyno Jet is the most accurate. Maybe that isn't what the OP is wanting?
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
Exactly that is why I have ranges. I am just saying that if your car is in the neighboor hood, you should be around a certain range. I am not saying that one car that does 480whp would automatically trap faster than another car that does 460whp. There are SO many factors that come into account. But what I thought was the point of this thread was to determine which Dyno is the most accurate in determining similiar numbers to what Manufactuers rate horsepower, and I believe a Dyno Jet is the most accurate.
I agree that wasn't a response to your post just an overall statement in general
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:37 AM
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If the OP is wanting to know what the most accurate dyno is in determing horsepower, then I have to say in comparison to what???? Honestly like so many have said, a dyno is just a tuning tool. All of them read differently, you have Mustangs and DDs that read like DJs, you have DJs that read very low.
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