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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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DSM Experts - RWD Trans

I was wondering if any readily available RWD manual transmissions would bolt up to the 4AG63 evo engine.

The thought being to use an evo engine in a RWD kit car like a Lotus 7 Clone.

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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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Try posting on the SoCal DSM list. There are a few people on there who might be able to help out.
Subscribe here: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCal_DSM/

For example, one of the guys is running a 4g in a Suzuki Samurai rock-climber.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364808
(search around for more info)

IIRC, John Mueller (http://www.muellerized.com/) had a '7 in the old shop a while back. I think it was the regular engine, but he may also have some ideas.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mitsuatb
I was wondering if any readily available RWD manual transmissions would bolt up to the 4AG63 evo engine.

The thought being to use an evo engine in a RWD kit car like a Lotus 7 Clone.

Any ideas?

Mitsuatb
Are you trying to say 4G63 engine? If so, the FWD is out of the question. Then you would have to focus on the AWD and perhaps weld or inhabilitate the front axles. You will have to acquire some sort of rear LSD, perhaps one from a 97-99 DSM GSX or sometimes the optionals 95-96 like the one my car has.

As far is RWD Evos, yes I have seen already two of them on videos, one with a V8 engine configuration(obviously it wouldn't work for this aplication). Remember something though, having a 4G63 transversally mounted doesn't help much either..
Carlos

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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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I believe he is speaking of mounting the engine longitudinally instead of transversely, and adapting an alternate o.e. or aftermarket trans.

To the o.p. You can get an adapter for a GM bellhousing from Buschur, but from there you are limited to autos and torque converters as far as I know. I havent looked into anything for a manual trans yet, as I have been thinking of making my dsm rwd using a trans that was actually in Buschurs conquest at one point and time. However if you find out anything on a manual I would like to know as Im looking into buliding an altered roadster that I would ultimately like to use a lenco or g force type trans. Perhaps you should actually pm david so we can have both our questions answered lol
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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That will make things much easy then but whatever floats each one's boat. To me it is too much drama. Is the ultimate goal a drifter car?

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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 06:48 PM
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How about the old school DSMs, the Starion/ Conquest blocks? RWD and a turbo 2.4 liter 4 banger. I think a better option would be the Nissan SR20DET. Made for RWD with more upgrade options and easier/ cheaper to make power.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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robertinaustin, I've been contemplating your exact question myself. Not too sure on body, but an automatic, rwd 4g63 interests me.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 07:52 PM
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This question is probably best forwarded to a transmission specialists. I know some things may sound insane and crazy but it is possible if one wants it bad enough.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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you can make an adaptor plate for like a th400 or something but if you wanted a manual that is a little bit tougher
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
How about the old school DSMs, the Starion/ Conquest blocks? RWD and a turbo 2.4 liter 4 banger. I think a better option would be the Nissan SR20DET. Made for RWD with more upgrade options and easier/ cheaper to make power.
^^ I believe they were 2.6 or 2.7 instead of 2.4l. The Starion/Conquest was the car that gave me chills in the mid 80s. What a bad as s car back then.

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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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ive seen RWD DSMs before... they are sick wit it! ^buscher makes a kit.. others do some custom fab work... but its obviously totally possible!
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 08:37 PM
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I actually have been in contact with someone manufacturing a bellhousing to bolt up to an older 4G63 to a T56 manual, I was also told he was working on an evo version. Originally he was going to use a Supra 6 speed and had made a few bellhousings for it, but later started on the one for a T56.

Piecing together a clutch/flywheel is actually not as hard as it seems since you can call any reputable clutch manufacturer and they can match the components you need.

I will try to find the guys website so you all can throw a message or two his way to show there is a demand for these components.

I do know of one person who used a buschur adapter plate to mate up a GM Bellhousing with a T56, but never got word on what he used for a clutch setup.
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 02:55 AM
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Yeah the adapting the bellhousing part isnt bad. The clutch part is where im not sure to start.
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 05:09 AM
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Okay, this is a quote from Bill, the guy working on the bellhousing, He is looking for a few dimensions that I can't provide since I have all of my "junk" packed up for my move to Dallas.. Not sure if its coincidence and good timing, or someone passed word along that I made a reference to him before I was able to send him an e-mail, BUT if anyone has the info he's looking for, PM me and I'll forward it along, or get you in touch with him directly (Not sure if he's okay with giving out his e-mail addy in a public forum, I know I generally don't like it)

work is coming together on the T 56 project for the 4G63, all this work will transfer over to the EVO, I have the pattern for the bolt pattern but I need a few demensions for the EVO engine, such as, how far does the crankshaft extend from the engine block? how far does the starter extend up from the engine block? and what is the diameter of the starter facing?
Thanks
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I just sold my Datsun to a neighbor so my RWD project is on hold until I'm settled down in TX.
I still plan on buying an adapter when their available as I'll find something cool to put an evo engine into.

and a few photos... (sorry a few were too large to upload, just wanted to show there was real work going on)
Attached Thumbnails DSM Experts - RWD Trans-skeliton.jpg   DSM Experts - RWD Trans-skeliton4.jpg   DSM Experts - RWD Trans-skeliton5.jpg  

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