hey guys

im wondering about something i started a thread earlier but only 2 ppl got on it and told me im hoping mroe ppl runthe setup

im going to go buschur racing 3065r kit and i have a ams FMIC with the upper piping which comes with a TIAL bov a few ppl told me that the only way car will run good with the 100% atmospheric bov is to maybe run a blow thru maf?

my question is do i need to run a maf translator when doing this or could i buy the piping and just use the stock maf in that section.. not quite sure how else to say this..

im thinking take the stock maf and buy the blow thru setup and just hook that up but then would i have to run a maf translator cuz i moved the maf to the intercooler pipe

i plan on being tuned ont he stock maf so i odnt want to go stand alone

help you be great thanks

 

I'm not sure if the stock maf can operate in a blow-through setup, but even if it could, it's still just as restrictive. The reason people go to blow-through setups is to use a larger and less restrictive(usually GM 3" or 3.5") maf.

 

Hey, just re-read your post... you can recirculate with that turbo kit, just don't use that BOV... get a recirc. setup with a Forge DV or something of that nature. Mellon is running a hta35 like this with great results.

 

You cannot run a karman vortex MAF in your UICP.

 

so i def woudl have to run a diffrent BOV ther eis no way i can runt he tial with the stock maf? how about when i get a tuen can the turbo get rid fo the problem or still no/

 

Nope, any attempt to tune around a VTA with the stock Maf will not be to your advantage...

your best bet is to just do the recirc, unless you have the money to do a stand alone or a proper blow-through conversion

 

i think tial is coming out with a recirc one i mgiht look into that

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ht=tial+recirc

 

Will you please tell Rippmods in NY that? Their SDS supercharger kits blow through a karman vortex MAF. : / Technically you CAN run the karman vortex MAF in a blow through configuration but you are not going to get a very accurate reading and will suffer drivability and tunability issues from this.

Please note, I'm not disagreeing with you. I believe that any implementation of a blow through setup through the karman vortex MAF to be wrong and is something I've fought against for years. Some companies like to start out with a design concept that is wrong and then make bandaids to fix the problems caused by the initial design and sell you those bandaids for profit.

 

i think i am goign to go with the tial recirc bov when it comes out

 

I haven't tried this...well why would I? but I would think the main problem would be that the built in air intake temp sensor would be getting much hotter air and throw off the tune. Maybe it could be compensated for with tuning but of course the underlying issue is still that you don't gain a thing by doing this.

there's plenty of 500+ awhp cars on the stock MAS so if you're nowhere near that It's a non issue.

 

The issue is in how a karman vortex MAF reads the air entering it. It literally measures a vortex of air and was never designed to be pressurized. Pressuring the sensor by placing it in a blow through configuration alters the size and shape of the vortex which leads to erratic MAF readings. The air temperature really doesn't have that large of an effect compared to how you are screwing with just how the sensor reads air flow.

 

that's a good point, I forgot about that ^^

 

You the same mellon over on 3S?

 

yep, and I was going to mention that I don't run the screen in my MAS on the TT Stealth. I also allow unmetered air in after the MAS to reduce the inlet restriction