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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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But didn't every manifold Dave tested lose a lot of power down low? This one does not look as bad as the others Dave tested at first glance in that department.

From my memory, the HKS had the smallest loses down low but were still appreciable.
HKS had the smallest losses downlow b/c of the longer runners. A shorter runner will indeed yield lower port velocity sacrificing a bit of power downlow however it will make up for it up top provided a large enough plenum.

In regards to the Magnus intake; area beneath the curves for both stock and GT30R dynos are very decent; not only that but both dyno's were tested using a stock TB.

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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by crcain
But didn't every manifold Dave tested lose a lot of power down low? This one does not look as bad as the others Dave tested at first glance in that department.

From my memory, the HKS had the smallest loses down low but were still appreciable.
Correct on both counts.

Yes, but not enough manifolds are made with the need for improving power across the power band, almost all are made for peak numbers. The new AMS one and the Wilson stock modified ones are they only ones that will probably retain or do better than stock down low due to size, the smaller sheetmetal ones really wont ever be close to the stock down low, but might be due to volume.

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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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yea, i want to see numbers.

magnus + intake manifolds = bad track record

dyno sheets please
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 09:06 PM
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would like to see a few companys dyno test these out!! Hopefully you guys worked all your bugs out! Honesty pays!
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 10:55 PM
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These manifolds look like they work great! I just hope the price is as good as the dyno results!
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 11:07 PM
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would like to see a few companys dyno test these out!! Hopefully you guys worked all your bugs out! Honesty pays!

I really want to test one of the manifolds on a car we just finished. Only time will tell if i will get the opportunity.
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 11:21 PM
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My thoughts:

There is a definite 20hp gain over the stock manifold and I bet its more pronounced the further out in the revs you go. It ended at 7500 and I know of a few people that rev to 8500 on stock turbos so I am sure they would benefit.

There is exactly 40hp more on the 3037 (HKS version of the 3076) from OE to MagnusCast.

The losses in the graph on a stock turbo are graph to graph no changes. Up the boost a touch and BAMMM power is back. The losses were pretty insginificant anyway...I will give up 10 ft lbs under 5000rpm.
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 11:25 PM
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Nice work Marco! I made 1000whp on his street manifold with a really nice curve im sure his new one is top notch
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by scorke
Correct on both counts.

Yes, but not enough manifolds are made with the need for improving power across the power band, almost all are made for peak numbers. The new AMS one and the Wilson stock modified ones are they only ones that will probably retain or do better than stock down low due to size, the smaller sheetmetal ones really wont ever be close to the stock down low, but might be due to volume.

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But... the Wilson intakes only performed very marginally better than the DI down low if I recall. And in the original testing, the DI did not fair well in terms of the downlow department against stock from my memory. Correct me if I'm wrong. The Hypertune and HKS did the best in the low end.
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 06:58 AM
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Looks like a great product, can't wait to get one for myself!
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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The HKS Intake test over the stock unit provided by Buschur shows power gains beginning circa 5700 rpm give or take, whereas Magnus' Intake shows gains beginning about 100 rpm sooner circa 4700 rpm. Mind you different conditions, different setups and different dyno. Seems on par if not better.
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 07:41 AM
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Well here is a reason it wont sell as good as the new cast IM from AMS look at the charts/ dyno sheets the AMS cast IM made power from start to end this manifold dont start to make power untill after 4300 give or take and on a turbo car we dont see a gain untill after 4600 give or take.
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 07:56 AM
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Looking forward to the results on the dyno and at the track!
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jmartinez1170
Well here is a reason it wont sell as good as the new cast IM from AMS look at the charts/ dyno sheets the AMS cast IM made power from start to end this manifold dont start to make power untill after 4300 give or take and on a turbo car we dont see a gain untill after 4600 give or take.
AMS tested their new one versus their old one. So I'm not sure that is a fair comparison. Downlow losses should really only be measured against the stocker.

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The HKS Intake test over the stock unit provided by Buschur shows power gains beginning circa 5700 rpm give or take, whereas Magnus' Intake shows gains beginning about 100 rpm sooner circa 4700 rpm. Mind you different conditions, different setups and different dyno. Seems on par if not better.
Tough extrapolation and those RPM #'s sound like where peak torque is so I'm thinking with these larger plenum manifolds the gains won't show up until on boost?
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by crcain
AMS tested their new one versus their old one. So I'm not sure that is a fair comparison. Downlow losses should really only be measured against the stocker.

Im sure it will produce better numbers then stock. Just like the HKS where you see gains as soon as 100rpm
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