I don't mean to be nit-picky but it's 16x16

 

Where did you get if from? 430 is really good!!

 

I got it from Gruppe-S www.gruppe-s.com They normally have the lowest prices around.

 

I have a few questions about the e-manage for those who know.
1. Does it come with a pre-programed map to start off with for the Evo? 2. Can you use one of the go-between harness' now being sold for the Evo so that you are not forced to splice into the factory wiring? This way you could undu the harness and hook the stock computer back up for OBDII testing and to take your car in for warranty service. 3. What can the Xede do that it cannot? In other words what is the difference besides one being a piggy back computer and the price? Do you loose something like cold start, or idle adjustment with a/c, ect. I am not ragging on either product because they both seem pretty competent, I am just uninformed of the advatages and diadvantages of each.

 

 

If I just want max hp/mpg with no other mods, what is best product (don't plan to do any further tuning) - are hp gain about the same for all these vendors (<5hp difference)??

Thanks

 

Does anyone know when AME EMS is going to come out for the evo????

 

Well even if you do not want further tuning, I would still recommend at least a piggyback as opposed to a simple reflash. Reason being that you can sell the piggyback or standalone..it's actually a tangible item with a resale value. HP gains vary with different cars...because it wasnt tailor made for your car. The best I can recommend you, if money isnt an object, would be to join one of Vishnu's dyno days and get the XEDE. If you're in the NorthEast, you can probably go with the eManage and get it tuned (there are many competent tuners here e.g. Pruven Performance)

 

1) From the start, all the values are set to 0. Which means it is using the factory A/F and timing map.

2) Yes it can use the extension harness. The e-manage is not a standalone. It is also a piggyback.

3) There are a couple things the XEDE can do that the e-manage cannot. It has slightly higher resolution 20x20 vs 16x16 and has boost control.

 

Works reflash... 20-30whp depending on the car... search... you will find more than enough info, and no one who has the reflash regrets it.

 

It also has knock sensor attenuation which as proven to be helpful at higher output applications. Moreso than the 20x20 resolution, it also allows you to place the rpm and load breakpoints wherever they are needed, not just in X increments. The load variable are also user-configurable. This means that you have a choise between MAP (using an external sensor), MAF or TPS variables for load and can use a different variables (and breakpoints) for each of the different maps. Next next iteration of XMAP (Version 2 which is coming soon) will also offer user-configurable fuel enrichment strategies to improve torque during sudden throttle openings. It will also be fully set up to drive and control any PWM system including water injection, progressive NOS, waters spray, etc,. Other features that we have not taken advantage of yet (in EVO applications, that is) is MAF scaling which would allow you to put in a larger MAF and use the software to scale it back to normal while still having the overhead needed to make big hp. Couple other new features should be ready soon as well. Mind you, I have no experience with the Emanage, other than fiddling with the software, so I don't know how this compares with it.

Cheers
shiv

 

Shiv,

So what kind of gains would I get with the XEDE on a bone stock Evo running 93 octane?

Thanks,

Steve

 

With the e-manage, you can also adjust the scale for both throttle position and rpm. You can adjust the scale down to 100 RPM increments if needed and 1% increments for throttle position. So if you are seeing that no adjustment is needed from 2000 - 3000 RPM all across the TPS range, you can change the scale to start from 3000 RPM up to redline in 250RPM increments if you wanted. What ever you can fit in 16 cells up to redline.

The e-manage also allows you to use an additional pressure sensor if you are pushing the limits of adjustment on the MAS sensor. What's great is if you already have a greddy electronic boost gauge, you can tap into that so that the e-manage can use that for the pressure signal. You also have the option of using different MAS sensors if you wanted. For example, you could use a karman vortex sensor from another car manufacturer if wanted.

The e-manage can also drive additional injectors.... up to 2. I've toyed with the idea of using it to control water injection but I need to look into this more. If boost control is needed, it integrates with the Profec e01.

There has been talk of the e-manage burning out ignition coils but that was already resolved with a new firmware upgrade.

I'm not saying one is better than the other. I believe they are both great options for engine management. The big win for me was the fact that the e-manage is very affordable considering all the features it offers.

 

Now this is an informatrive thread.
Thnx guys,

I actually learned something ;-)

How much does it cost total for the Emanage ( with all needed harness, etc.) and a MAP sensor? Who makes the MAP sensor(s) that work with this?

 

If you don't want to spend the $120 for the Greddy pressure sensor, you can get a GM 2 BAR mapsensor for $30 and wire it into the e-manage.