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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:55 PM
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why does the import tuner test say that the aem uego is not loggable? I thought it had an output?
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:06 AM
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Smartbomb has been incredibly civil in this debate and has shrugged off the PERSONAL attacks very well.

He has asked for actual proof of the claims made by TTP/Zeitronix.
He has offered to report in a national source any test that Zeitronix conducts provided it is fair and he can attend for nothing more then reporting.
He has said flat out he is very willing to accept his test may have been wrong, provided a response based on factual data from a technical perspective is used.

Contrast that with the other parties involved who have done nothing but personally attacked anybody that has a different opinion then theirs.

Some people have tact and integrity

AND some don't.

I'm the later and honestly, after seeing this exchange, I'll never buy from TTP or Zeitronix. I don't give a **** if they do make the best wideband out there.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
Smartbomb has been incredibly civil in this debate and has shrugged off the PERSONAL attacks very well.

He has asked for actual proof of the claims made by TTP/Zeitronix.
He has offered to report in a national source any test that Zeitronix conducts provided it is fair and he can attend for nothing more then reporting.
He has said flat out he is very willing to accept his test may have been wrong, provided a response based on factual data from a technical perspective is used.

Contrast that with the other parties involved who have done nothing but personally attacked anybody that has a different opinion then theirs.

Some people have tact and integrity

AND some don't.

I'm the later and honestly, after seeing this exchange, I'll never buy from TTP or Zeitronix. I don't give a **** if they do make the best wideband out there.
You are an Innovate user. You have made yourself clear already that you intend on keeping your unit currently in use.

Saying you will not buy a competing wideband from us is like us saying we will never buy a Honda Civic from the dealer when we already drive the car we want and are not even in the market to buy another car.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
i'm selling my LC1 to buy a Zeitronix... Innovate sucks
Its interesting to see the feelings are the same in Austrailia than in the USA.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:22 AM
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Last I checked LC-1 has no GPS circuit so it works same regardless which direction water flushes in a toilet.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:34 AM
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Last I checked LC-1 has no GPS circuit so it works same regardless which direction water flushes in a toilet.
I just laughed crazy hard while checking this at work!!

Needless to say, I will be getting a Zeitronics. I had my eyes on the LC-1 but after this thread...not anymore.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
You are an Innovate user. You have made yourself clear already that you intend on keeping your unit currently in use.

Saying you will not buy a competing wideband from us is like us saying we will never buy a Honda Civic from the dealer when we already drive the car we want and are not even in the market to buy another car.
Ok, I guess you can assume I'll never in my life buy another wideband...and all you sell is widebands so...

How about this then.

When asked in the future by friends, locals, people on message forums, etc. about which wideband they should buy, I'll merely direct them to your childish banter here and let them decide on their own?

Because quite frankly, there has been ZERO technical merit as to why the product you push is superior and this thread has really shown your bad side on numerous accounts.

Sound good?
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
Ok, I guess you can assume I'll never in my life buy another wideband...and all you sell is widebands so...

How about this then.

When asked in the future by friends, locals, people on message forums, etc. about which wideband they should buy, I'll merely direct them to your childish banter here and let them decide on their own?

Because quite frankly, there has been ZERO technical merit as to why the product you push is superior and this thread has really shown your bad side on numerous accounts.

Sound good?
+1 There are now two vendors on this site that I'll never buy off of because of the way they conduct themselves on the forum...

All modern day A/F meters do a great job of reading A/F - trying to put together a test to show which one does a better job is splitting hairs... Now if you're into a bunch of features and additional functions, then it's easier to judge...
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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Someone had to help you see through that sponsored infomercial.

Last edited by Zeitronix; Feb 3, 2010 at 09:05 AM.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
You are an Innovate user. You have made yourself clear already that you intend on keeping your unit currently in use.
Why would you presume that because he currently uses Innovate that he would not be open to purchasing a Zeitronix product for his current application and/or a future application if proven to be a better product?

Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Saying you will not buy a competing wideband from us is like us saying we will never buy a Honda Civic from the dealer when we already drive the car we want and are not even in the market to buy another car.
I think you're completely missing his point. He may be an Innovate user, but it's pretty obvious that he's unhappy enough with how you and Zeitronix have dealt with this thread to even consider purchasing a Zeitronix product. In other words, a customer service issue instead of a product performance issue. It's like you trying to sell him a Honda Civic, but him deciding to go to a different dealership, because he didn't like the salesman.

I personally haven't reached that point, but as I cautioned earlier, you guys are not helping yourselves in this thread. I highly recommend you take the high road, and turn this into an opportunity to sell us on the Zt-2, instead of pissing anymore people off.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ItalyIX
I just laughed crazy hard while checking this at work!!

Needless to say, I will be getting a Zeitronics. I had my eyes on the LC-1 but after this thread...not anymore.
Received your PM about the Zeitronix. PM returned with pricing info.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GEOFF[4G63]
why does the import tuner test say that the aem uego is not loggable? I thought it had an output?
id like to know this as well
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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AEM has a serial output but there was no way to log it at that time. No third party software was written yet.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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One would think they would mention that instead of saying it has no logging capabilities. I thought it had 0-5V analog output?
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 11:09 PM
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I use an AEM gaugetype wideband. It's always worked great for me. I've used it with both the AEM EMS and with the stock ECU. Currently I have my stock O2 sensor unplugged and use the AEM to output a narrow band signal to the ECU and it works great.

I do have a question if anyone can help. Because I have the stock O2 removed, I get a CEL because the heater circuit is disconnect. Is there a way to get rid of this code (p0135)? Wire in a resistor to mimick the O2 heater? Turn off the code using Evoscan? Any suggestions would be helpful. I know I'm not the only person doing this.
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