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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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"blow the motor" ?? what you mean?
he is saying to go with the CBRD way to spend the 5k because if u make the wrong moves you could blow your motor. i believe thats what he is trying to say
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:30 PM
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DynoFlash-
Your absolutley right, wrong choice of words "blowing 5k". This is something I have always wanted was a respectable/ good platform. and in a sense pour money into it till I feel satisfied, which unfortunatley I dont know if there is a "satisfied" point. But hey that comes with the territory i guess.
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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just figure out what u want out of ur car then dicuss it with chad. He'll get you going and wanting more!
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan0805
"blow the motor" ?? what you mean?
kaput! make it crap the bed, pop a piston, spin a bearing..... it was a joke.
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan0805
"blow the motor" ?? what you mean?
The dude is tryng to spoil your high
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:55 PM
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The dude is tryng to spoil your high
i've been there and done that with my car. I could've had a killer stock setup but nooo....I had to blow the motor and let it sit for 2.5 years while I saved to rebuild it. At least its an 05 with 25k miles on it

In all honesty I dont really see anyone running the exact setup I have. Although that I where following the proven upgrade paths saves you headaches.

Al..when are you or Dave coming back to Vegas? I missed having my car back together by two days when Dave came out in Dec. Factor-x gave me a good road tune but we left a lot on the table.
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:56 PM
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SO at this level of power no one is suggesting to him to have the trans built?
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan0805
DynoFlash-
Your absolutley right, wrong choice of words "blowing 5k". This is something I have always wanted was a respectable/ good platform. and in a sense pour money into it till I feel satisfied, which unfortunatley I dont know if there is a "satisfied" point. But hey that comes with the territory i guess.
This of course is the huge problem with our hobby

In the initial stages of modification the gains realized in terms of inhanced power and function are huge compared to the cost

99.99999 % of the customers who start down the road feel really great when they get the first mod and realize an immediate and dramatic improvemnet

It sure is hard to know when to stop

If you are like me then there is no ending until the car becomes more of a tetsing bed and science project than transportation

This is where planning and knowing what you want to realize out of the intended modifications is really important

At one point I was very convinced that my "hobby" of car nmodification has progressed to a form of mental illness

I consulted a licensed psychiatrist who actually went through the effort to go for a ride with me in my Evo and he said that what I am doing is "totally normal"

I am not sure if I agree with him but he did make me feel a lot better about what I have done to my car

This is my video of the consultation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFbF5...e=channel_page

I can honestly tell you guys that the only regret I have about all the money I spent on my cars is that I did not "invest" my 401K money in there also. That was something that gave me no pleasure what so ever and only causes me grief and anger avery month when I get my statement. I dont think it can go any lower but each time it does.
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by althemean
i've been there and done that with my car. I could've had a killer stock setup but nooo....I had to blow the motor and let it sit for 2.5 years while I saved to rebuild it. At least its an 05 with 25k miles on it

In all honesty I dont really see anyone running the exact setup I have. Although that I where following the proven upgrade paths saves you headaches.

Al..when are you or Dave coming back to Vegas? I missed having my car back together by two days when Dave came out in Dec. Factor-x gave me a good road tune but we left a lot on the table.
I am in the same boat with you on saving to fix blown up ****!

In the case of my Subaru, its been down for nearly 3 months now as I have been rebuilding the engine after my latest fiasco

I like to do AWD drifting with my STI and I wound up hitting the piston into the valve when I held it down to the floor in 2nd gear at 9.300 rpms for some time.

Now I have new valve springs which are more robust.

The reality of this business is that 99.999 of the Stage IV cars will last forever with the normal practice of changing oil and letting the car warm up before you beat it.

Its funny that you mention this here as I was recently making a post about this same issue - the all to often unspoken reality of what happens when you have a unexpected engine failure and the very significant financial consequencs that result

Here is that thread

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6608820-post40.html

It should be more openly and frequently discussed actualy to warn newbies - the car was designed to make 240 whp - when you begineto double that figure the stock parts may fail and will in all likelyhood be less reliable and not last as long,


When you are ready for a tune let me know I will come out and do it for free if you cover my plane ticket

Al

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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 06:18 PM
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if you spend the money on the right mods you could consider it investing in your fun

spend it wrong and ur "blowing" it...

as mentioned, figure out what you want, and then the right package can be put together.

cheers

cb
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan0805
So after next week, I'll be sittin with Cobb TB, perrin intake, walboro FP, MBC@24 with a CBRD tune. Now I have 5,000 to toss, I was wondering what you guys were thinkin.
Which kind of cams are you getting BTW ?

What was it that attracted you to the Perrin Intake BTW - we had an interesting case study on that unit, too long to explain now in full detail but basically the soft tube was colapsing when the fans came on for cooling or a/c and throwing off the idle. If you ever have that problem look down there and see if it happens.

I see you moving in a lot of different directions - intake here - exhuast there. Over my 6 long years of doing this business, the guys with a mish mosh of parts from all different vendors have for what ever reason often been the ones who did not make as much power as expected.

Take a look at the Buschur Stages here

https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...3142c5d024ac59

If you don't care for Buschur - look at the AMS staged upgrades - (they are very similar)

Both of them are made in USA and they make great parts

HKS is great JDM parts which make just as great power - you cant go wrong with them either. We recemtly set a stock turbo record with a car with all HKS parts - they know what they are doing.

Buschur has been doing this for 20 years. He knows these cars better than anyone. he has been doing this longer than anyone else. His staged set ups have years of testing, R & D and plenty of happy customers with great results to show for them.

The fact that Davod Buschur himself is frequently on these forums is a huge plus in my book also. Its great to be able to just shot him an PM and get some feedback from the master himself.

One way I like to keep things real for myself is to g look at the drag racing section and see which parts the fast guys are running. This year so many Buschur customers went 9's and drove to and from the track - it was amazing. Its hard to argue with those kind of results.

Look over how the stages grow on each other and how they progress and dont hestitate to contact the sales guys at Buschur if you have any silly questions they are always there answering the phone, great guys.
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 07:58 PM
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Full flow exhaust turbo back, including downpipe $600 or so
FP Red $1800 complete, but you could use yours for a lower cost rebuild
porting on stock exhaust manifold $100 or so
porting on intake manifold $100 or so
the good working E-bay O2 housing $150 or so
1000 cc injectors (gas) or 1200 cc injectors (E85) $300 or so
Buschur double pumper or similar (if you're running E85)
ECU modding program/connector
Aquamist methanol/water kit if you have the money left after above. ($825)
Buschur Race FMIC ($779)

Many of these parts are available used in great condition for much less. If I had $5000 to spend, I'd be looking for good deals on the Private For Sale list
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 08:31 PM
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Nothing really. I have a drop in K@N right now but Chad told me there throwin one in during my session. And the Cobb tbe came from the lack of Buschur not having the downpipes ready to ship with their system. And from endless research the two had very little discrepencies when it came to power(minus Cobbs welds de-bunking). As of my research with shops and feedback CBRD has my business and what ever advice forthcoming.
But Buschur is an astounding company with an oak solid name.. I was going to travel up there during my leave but..but time is an un-forgiving btch.
None the less I fully appreciate people such as yourself and many others on here that steered me to good shops and products to invest my own money in. Forums like this when researched can save people money and migranes in the future.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Which kind of cams are you getting BTW ?

What was it that attracted you to the Perrin Intake BTW - we had an interesting case study on that unit, too long to explain now in full detail but basically the soft tube was colapsing when the fans came on for cooling or a/c and throwing off the idle. If you ever have that problem look down there and see if it happens.

I see you moving in a lot of different directions - intake here - exhuast there. Over my 6 long years of doing this business, the guys with a mish mosh of parts from all different vendors have for what ever reason often been the ones who did not make as much power as expected.

Take a look at the Buschur Stages here

https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...3142c5d024ac59

If you don't care for Buschur - look at the AMS staged upgrades - (they are very similar)

Both of them are made in USA and they make great parts

HKS is great JDM parts which make just as great power - you cant go wrong with them either. We recemtly set a stock turbo record with a car with all HKS parts - they know what they are doing.

Buschur has been doing this for 20 years. He knows these cars better than anyone. he has been doing this longer than anyone else. His staged set ups have years of testing, R & D and plenty of happy customers with great results to show for them.

The fact that Davod Buschur himself is frequently on these forums is a huge plus in my book also. Its great to be able to just shot him an PM and get some feedback from the master himself.

One way I like to keep things real for myself is to g look at the drag racing section and see which parts the fast guys are running. This year so many Buschur customers went 9's and drove to and from the track - it was amazing. Its hard to argue with those kind of results.

Look over how the stages grow on each other and how they progress and dont hestitate to contact the sales guys at Buschur if you have any silly questions they are always there answering the phone, great guys.

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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 12:36 AM
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Get an Exedy twin plate clutch now, and maybe build the bottom end now. Get your car ready for bigger power later, rather then making some power upgrades now...and then having things like the clutch, or tranny or tcase or whatever, blow up.
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 12:37 AM
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Oh yea! And maybe some lightweight parts!! Make it stronger and lighter....you'll go faster at the same power level and like I said before, then you'll be ready for big power SAFELY, later.
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