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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 03:37 PM
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Running richer and richer...

Hi guys,

Its another "help me fix my Evo" thread. Seems like there have been alot of these lately.

Anyways, here are the mods I am working with:

Stock block
Ported FP Red Turbo
Kelford 272 cams w/spring & retainers
EPM 02 Dump
Perrin FMIC & RMR piping
RMR Intake w/Perrin filter
Buschur Turbo-back exhaust
Buschur ported/coated stock exhaust manifold
PTE 1200CC injectors / Buschur dual fuel pumps
Tuned on stock ECU @ 28 - 29psi. 440WHP on a mustang dyno.

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Over time my car has been running richer and richer, particularly inbetween high rpm shifts, at part throttle under normal driving, and now even at idle. By rich, I mean it falls off my gauges scale below 10.0 AFR. When it does this, the car bucks violently back and forth.... Its almost like a backfire or something. My gas mileage has been cut in half - I'm getting 10mpg under normal driving, no WOT.

I dont think it is the tune, as the car ran fine when I first got it back but deteriorated over time. Could it be bad/blown coils? Boost leak?... I have a hunch it has something to do with the ignition... The problems are more noticable when the car is still warming up in the cold winter.

Any idea's?

Thanks guys
Art
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 03:39 PM
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A boost leak definitely could do that probably the easiest to test as well.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 03:51 PM
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is your bov vented into the atmosphere???
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 04:16 PM
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I had a local turbo shop test me for a boost leak and they said no leak....

I am using a brand new Forge RS Diverter Valve... not VTA
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 05:12 PM
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exhaust leak??
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by justa4banger
exhaust leak??
Would an exhaust leak make the car sound any different? It sounds normal with exhaust...
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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Would an exhaust leak make the car sound any different? It sounds normal with exhaust...
Yeah it sounds like crap when you have an exhaust leak, you would tell.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SRT-TO-EVO
Yeah it sounds like crap when you have an exhaust leak, you would tell.
I had a bad 02 gasket before and it sounded like hell. I fixed that... sounds normal now but it runs incredibly rich with seems to buck or backfire under part throttle and inbetween high rpm shifts. What the heck could it be?????
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what does your compression look like??
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by justa4banger
what does your compression look like??
Call me a fool... how do I check that? Is it a cheap easy check that a local turbo shop can run? Thanks.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:20 PM
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In the individual gears it pulls like a freight train and sounds great, but if I shift to the next gear at high RPM after WOT it bucks and runs rich as hell... what is it???
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It could be a o2 sensor that has gone bad.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueDemon
It could be a o2 sensor that has gone bad.
I have a Buschur test pipe, which tricks the o2 sensor into thinking there is a cat... could that be the problem? I do not have a CEL...
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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I meant the front o2 sensor, sorry. Although, your description of the problem might indicate that the problem could be something else or a combination of things.

I been having the same problem with my car but right now I'm building my engine so I cannot tell you what could be the problem until it's done.

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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueDemon
I meant the front o2 sensor, sorry. Although, your description of the problem might indicate that the problem could be something else or a combination of things.

I been having the same problem with my car but right now I'm building my engine so I cannot tell you what could be the problem until it's done.
I'm no pro but I have a feeling its ignition. How common is it to have so much hp/boost that we blow out our stock coils or ignition and the car runs crappy?
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