you do realize that AMS's race intercooler that is made for 800whp+ is a 4inch core, right?

 

We have used our 4.0" intercooler on several 800hp+ applications as well. This customer doesn't plan on upgrading past the BBK, so he can get away with a good 3.0" intercooler or 3.5" if he thinks he might upgrade in the future or wants to run high boost on the BBK.

Thanks!

Michael

 

pretty much what im been saying

good info!

 

exactly!

 

I made 409whp on a mustang dyno using a stock Evo VIII intercooler. I wasn't even pushing a lot of boost (25psi), I could have done much much more power but I had stock internals. The stock Evo intercooler can push much more. If I was you I would push a little more and see if the car will trap significantly higher before you do the upgraded intercooler.

Carlos

 

You will be able to make the power, a couple of times. Then the intercooler is going to heat soak. The upgraded intercooler is to keep the tune consistent. You can also get away running more timing on an upgraded FMIC and make more power per lb of boost.

Thanks!!

Michael

 

i would just go with a bigger fmic like a ets 3.5 inch!!

 

ETS Garrett 3.8" FMIC FTW

Mikey

 

i run a bbk with a garret 3.8 core and saw improvements when i switched to it from a smaller intercooler. i do run pretty high boost, 27.8 psi but the intercooler is what makes that safe and the numbers consistent. i was not able to get to 400 on a mustang dyno till i changed to the 3.8 garret core. take it for what its worth and run the garret core.

jeff

 

I only consider gains when I can see higher trap speeds and lower ETs. As far is the dynoi, well it is very subjective, I am not looking just at a peak gain hp number I am looking also at spool -up and how the power and torque is delivered.

You have no idea how much I(a guy that owned 18 turbo cars so far) hates turbolag. You can only talk to me into bigger intercoolers as long as they provide a good balnace of spool-up,more HP,more torque,better cooling, better acceleration, better traps.

I still keep the car magazines in which some intercoolers were added to even Evos with 1hp gain and in other cars with hp loses.
For the most part once you get into a power level and the right mods you are mostlikely going to see gains when you are pushing significantly more air but I insist and affirm that the stock intercooler can do far more that what you might need.

I always use my own example becaause I am my own guinea pig but my 2g DSM trapped almost 120mph in the summer at 3100ft, this equals to 124mph at sea level(just go to NHRA altitude conversion chart and look at it). but like I mentioned earlier(a couple of post before) I wasn't pushing it, I was limited by the stock 7 bolt "crank walker" stock unmolested engine(94500miles).

To make my history short, I could prove you that the stock intercooler can do /will do suficiently well to support 125mph traps anyday of the week(with the proper mods at sea level).

If it wasn't because I am enjoying the stock turbo on e-85 so much as we speak I would be already opening one of my classic post in which I am testing the HTA Green witrh stock IC. I have the HTA green(had it for a while) but is not installed yet. I will absolutely share my new dyno numbers and track numbers(no plans on upgrading the intercooler by the way).

Carlos

 

What core does the CBRD FMIC use? Isn't the CBRD intercooler a 3.8" unit as well - how does it compare to a 3.5" ETS unit?

 

Garrett!

cb

 

i don't think we should get into that in this thread, its a sore subject. try searching for it, there is some stuff out there especially if you search my name. also dave buschur offers some intercooler info on his forums, so take a look there.

i switched from the 3.5 ets core to a cbrd garret core and had success, ill leave it at that.

jeff

 

My .02 is get the intercooler that will allow for more timing, prevent heatsoak and cool the hotair from the turbo. As far as being a dyno queen and getting 2 more hp or 8whp more, I don't think that alone can warrant another ic. If it performs the above functions then it has served its purpose well and also pricepoint.

 

Do not EVER spray it, especially with rattle can. I can not stand to see people do this. You reduce the intercooler's effectiveness by putting a skin on the aluminum that reduces it's heat transfer effectiveness. That's IF you are successful enough to spray the thing without cloging any of the fins with a blob of paint out of your $.99 rattle can. You clog fins and you reduce cooling even more.

You want it black (and I agree, it looks slick), you get the thing Anodized black, it put's a layer of Aluminum Oxide on the aluminum, then dies that layer black. It's .001" thick, and has virtually no impact on the intercooler's ability to transfer heat.