What is the point of an upgraded clutch?
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Originally posted by QuantumEVO
It can be likened to "give". Compare the transfer of forces to punching things. 2WD is like punching a mattress. AWD is like punching a brick wall.
AWD cars are not weak they just don't have anything to lessen the stresses or give like 2WD. Lightening the car yields a greater chance of spinning tires on launch which gets you back to the "mattress" concept a little.
AWD might be called a skilled driver's setup. It will provide greater performance but you have to be aware of what you are doing as you are more likely to break something; depending on the system.
Not all AWD systems are weak. They come in weak and strong variants (and everything in between) just like 2WD systems.
The EVO setup is quite good. It isn't the best, but is much better than most. Go check out the ATESSA ETS drivetrain. Now that's an amazing system. Getrag are know for building some great stuff.
Mark
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It can be likened to "give". Compare the transfer of forces to punching things. 2WD is like punching a mattress. AWD is like punching a brick wall.
AWD cars are not weak they just don't have anything to lessen the stresses or give like 2WD. Lightening the car yields a greater chance of spinning tires on launch which gets you back to the "mattress" concept a little.
AWD might be called a skilled driver's setup. It will provide greater performance but you have to be aware of what you are doing as you are more likely to break something; depending on the system.
Not all AWD systems are weak. They come in weak and strong variants (and everything in between) just like 2WD systems.
The EVO setup is quite good. It isn't the best, but is much better than most. Go check out the ATESSA ETS drivetrain. Now that's an amazing system. Getrag are know for building some great stuff.
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
Clutch is weak to protech the AWD system.
OK, I am going to say this just one time. 
Lightened flywheels or clutches don't give ANY increase in torque or horsepower. It gives you a perceived increase when accelerating. Only when accelerating.
If what you say is true, then lightened wheels would give you HP. That is most certainly not the case.
Mark
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Lightened flywheels or clutches don't give ANY increase in torque or horsepower. It gives you a perceived increase when accelerating. Only when accelerating.
If what you say is true, then lightened wheels would give you HP. That is most certainly not the case.
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
Originally posted by QuantumEVO
OK, I am going to say this just one time.
Lightened flywheels or clutches don't give ANY increase in torque or horsepower. It gives you a perceived increase when accelerating. Only when accelerating.
If what you say is true, then lightened wheels would give you HP. That is most certainly not the case.
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
OK, I am going to say this just one time.
Lightened flywheels or clutches don't give ANY increase in torque or horsepower. It gives you a perceived increase when accelerating. Only when accelerating.
If what you say is true, then lightened wheels would give you HP. That is most certainly not the case.
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
Since you are using less of the available HP to accelerate the now lighter flywheel or wheels, there is more HP available to accelerate the vehicle.
Mike W
Originally posted by Mike W
But the percieved increase in HP is because the car is acelerating faster, correct?
Since you are using less of the available HP to accelerate the now lighter flywheel or wheels, there is more HP available to accelerate the vehicle.
Mike W
But the percieved increase in HP is because the car is acelerating faster, correct?
Since you are using less of the available HP to accelerate the now lighter flywheel or wheels, there is more HP available to accelerate the vehicle.
Mike W
Yes, of course, but you aren't always accelerating. A lightened rotating mass will give more apparent improvement the faster the motor is revving. That means the clutch or flywheel will be almost unnoticeable in 5th; quite noticeable in 1st and most when blipping the throttle (heel/toe). If you are at steady state (not accelerating) and full power you won't notice anything. I know you are trying to point out that it yields improvements nonetheless but I'm trying to point out to the non-"Not Newbie"s a few finer points as well.
Mark
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Originally posted by QuantumEVO
Well it's torque any way but I know you know that.
Yes, of course, but you aren't always accelerating. A lightened rotating mass will give more apparent improvement the faster the motor is revving. That means the clutch or flywheel will be almost unnoticeable in 5th; quite noticeable in 1st and most when blipping the throttle (heel/toe). If you are at steady state (not accelerating) and full power you won't notice anything. I know you are trying to point out that it yields improvements nonetheless but I'm trying to point out to the non-"Not Newbie"s a few finer points as well.
Mark
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Well it's torque any way but I know you know that.
Yes, of course, but you aren't always accelerating. A lightened rotating mass will give more apparent improvement the faster the motor is revving. That means the clutch or flywheel will be almost unnoticeable in 5th; quite noticeable in 1st and most when blipping the throttle (heel/toe). If you are at steady state (not accelerating) and full power you won't notice anything. I know you are trying to point out that it yields improvements nonetheless but I'm trying to point out to the non-"Not Newbie"s a few finer points as well.
Mark
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I think the car could benefit from a bit of lightened rotating inertia, but it isn't too bad as is.
Mark
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Ok...I did some research
Lots of physic words and jargon spelled out... You don't gain HP from a lightened flywheel. But you do gain other things...very technical...blah. I'll post the link sometime.
Lots of physic words and jargon spelled out... You don't gain HP from a lightened flywheel. But you do gain other things...very technical...blah. I'll post the link sometime.
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The way I understand it if you actually increased HP the MAF sensor would go up in voltage (more air). If it doesnt you didnt make more HP, but took more advantage of what is there (a/f, timing, weight reduction, spinning mass reduction). Altering a/f or timing may increase HP and your MAF will register it. It could also not increase MAF voltage but change where that power comes in, changing your perception of power. Cams are notorious for this
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I dont get this:
Technically speaking, the driver can control the amount of clutch slippage during a launch - regardless of type of clutch in place.
So you can put in the power clutch, use a slip launch technique, and feel safe that you didnt strain your drivetrain.
Technically speaking, the driver can control the amount of clutch slippage during a launch - regardless of type of clutch in place.
So you can put in the power clutch, use a slip launch technique, and feel safe that you didnt strain your drivetrain.
OK, for the newbies then. If I put a light weight flywheel in my EVO and you have a stock flywheel in your EVO.. my EVO will accelerate quicker that your EVO. Accelerating quicker is good.
Mike W
Mike W
Originally posted by evo2?
So you can put in the power clutch, use a slip launch technique, and feel safe that you didnt strain your drivetrain.
So you can put in the power clutch, use a slip launch technique, and feel safe that you didnt strain your drivetrain.
Mark
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Last edited by QuantumEVO; Nov 13, 2003 at 09:27 AM.
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Originally posted by QuantumEVO
OK, I am going to say this just one time.
Lightened flywheels or clutches don't give ANY increase in torque or horsepower. It gives you a perceived increase when accelerating. Only when accelerating.
If what you say is true, then lightened wheels would give you HP. That is most certainly not the case.
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
OK, I am going to say this just one time.
Lightened flywheels or clutches don't give ANY increase in torque or horsepower. It gives you a perceived increase when accelerating. Only when accelerating.
If what you say is true, then lightened wheels would give you HP. That is most certainly not the case.
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
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On the contrary.
Lightened flywheel / rotating mass will add NO extra horsepower that your engine produced.
But it will effect the amount of power that is transfered to the wheels. Ex. You'll be putting down more HP at the wheels if you lighten your rotating mass at the same crank horse power.
Lightened flywheel / rotating mass will add NO extra horsepower that your engine produced.
But it will effect the amount of power that is transfered to the wheels. Ex. You'll be putting down more HP at the wheels if you lighten your rotating mass at the same crank horse power.
