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Old May 6, 2010 | 05:28 PM
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some advice with FPred

ok i just got the FPred install becuz i had to replace my stock 8 turbo. my mods rite now are injen intake and hks car ti TBE
i plan on getting kelford 272s cams
but which cam gears should i get
also plan on gettin 1000cc injectors
test pipe and o2 housing and downpipe but which one should i get
which retainer and springs
fuel pump
AMS street FMIC? or should i go another direction?

also note that this is my daily driver i plan on gettin it tune on 91 and E85

links to the parts will be great and if you think i should get other things done i appreciate it

goal is 400 HP atleast with good daily drivability

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Old May 6, 2010 | 05:41 PM
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how much hp your aim at is the question. 400 i see

cam gears are not needed unless doing 2.4 they are more of a design peace.
1000cc injectors is the min for sure
testpipe is a testpipe dude o2 housing either ebay ss o2 housing or megan is popular. downpipe lots of choices here long at is 3" you will be cool i use perrin for reference
Springs and retainers Supertech of course
walbro 255 im about to have mine for sale since im switching to twin setup but you can get kit for 90 dollars
lots of FMIC you can get no less then 3.5" for sure. I got APS but popular ones are AMS and Buschur get anything you want really long as its not ebay intercooler.

You should port the hotside of your red also consider porting/coating stock manifold or upgrading to tubular type. I hope you get a Full 3" TBE. dont forget your Guages Aem boost Aem wideband or Innovate wideband. You need Intercooler pipping upgrade and should upgrade bov to Aps twin vent or Trial so you dont have to worry about leaking.

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Old May 6, 2010 | 07:37 PM
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kelfords 272's with my FP Red added alot of lag. it's a big cam.
We adjusted them to +5 Intake and +3 exhaust to try and get some reponse back in the car. That made it spool 400-500 rpm quicker that with 0/0.
If you're only after 400whp i'd suggest GSC S1 or Kelford 264's. (GSC S1's use stock springs/retainers etc)

OR you could just run stock cams until you're ready for cams.
1000cc injectors sounds good.
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Old May 6, 2010 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
kelfords 272's with my FP Red added alot of lag. it's a big cam.
We adjusted them to +5 Intake and +3 exhaust to try and get some reponse back in the car. That made it spool 400-500 rpm quicker that with 0/0.
If you're only after 400whp i'd suggest GSC S1 or Kelford 264's. (GSC S1's use stock springs/retainers etc)

OR you could just run stock cams until you're ready for cams.
1000cc injectors sounds good.
You think the bigger cams kill streetability ? Just a newb question,as I am looking at similar setup.Perhaps playing with the setup adv/ret will help as I already have 272s ?
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Old May 7, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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i dont think, i know. it was proven on the dyno with my setup. might be different for someone elses.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 02:04 AM
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The way you can think of it is higher duration cams = more power towards the higher rpm. lower duration = power at the lower to midrage rpm depending on which ones you choose. However, the larger the camshaft duration, usually means larger gains. At least from what I have read.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
i dont think, i know. it was proven on the dyno with my setup. might be different for someone elses.
But my question is how much boost do you run and where do you seek full boost?

I'm running FP Red and Kelford 272's and I make full boost since switching to ECU control boost at 4K vs 4500. I really can't ask for more then that.

So to answer the OP's question:

Cam gears I think for your setup will be a waste of money
1k Injectors are perfect for 91 but you may want to think bigger for E-85 like ID2000
A test pipe is a test pipe maybe you should look into getting a DC Sports DP which has a test pipe section already in it. And the o2 housing any megan style should be fine......but if you want to ball out of control then go for the Map 38mm Tial o2 Eliminator Downpipe
Your going to need to run a twin pump setup if you plan to tune E-85
Springs and retainers I would go Beehive
With the Intercooler I would go with a 4"core I'm not going to name brands as long as it's a Garret core you good.

With this setup on E-85 you should make 500+ and 91 400+
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Old May 7, 2010 | 04:27 PM
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You won't know 'til you try it, the power is definitely worth it.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DBallz
But my question is how much boost do you run and where do you seek full boost?

I'm running FP Red and Kelford 272's and I make full boost since switching to ECU control boost at 4K vs 4500. I really can't ask for more then that.

So to answer the OP's question:

Cam gears I think for your setup will be a waste of money
1k Injectors are perfect for 91 but you may want to think bigger for E-85 like ID2000
A test pipe is a test pipe maybe you should look into getting a DC Sports DP which has a test pipe section already in it. And the o2 housing any megan style should be fine......but if you want to ball out of control then go for the Map 38mm Tial o2 Eliminator Downpipe
Your going to need to run a twin pump setup if you plan to tune E-85
Springs and retainers I would go Beehive
With the Intercooler I would go with a 4"core I'm not going to name brands as long as it's a Garret core you good.

With this setup on E-85 you should make 500+ and 91 400+
I agree on that

Delete Cams gears
Kelford 272 or GSC S2 (slightly better midrange as I have seen in a comparison test)
Megan O2 housing is the most familiar here

Good luck
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Old May 7, 2010 | 06:58 PM
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yea the only thing i forgot if you doing e85 then you need double pumper.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 07:44 PM
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if you plan on running E85 you dont 'need' a double pumper, a single is good for around 500hp, although a double would be nice. id recommend some bigger injectors though, 1350's or 1450's Gluck

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Old May 7, 2010 | 07:59 PM
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Uhm! As others have mentioned...You will need a double pumper and larger than 1000cc nozzles for the E-85 tune on the Red.

EDIT: As for the IC upgrade, go with either the Buschur Race, or the ETS 3.8" Garrett cored piece.

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Old May 7, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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yea you'll definitely need bigger injectors if you're gonna run e85. test pipe doesnt have to be anything fancy, i need to get one myself as im still running a cat lol. I don't know if you just forgot to list intercooler piping or not but you're definitely gonna need it. 400hp wont be hard to get at all. I had my stock fmic, cat, conservative 25psi tune, and got 381/360 on a mustang dyno and 93 octane. Keep checking for people selling used fmic's on here, u should be able to find a really nice one relatively cheap.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MICLOIV
if you plan on running E85 you dont 'need' a double pumper, a single is good for around 500hp, although a double would be nice....adam
Adam: In my humble opinion, you shouldn't state this as absolute fact. A single Walbro may seem adequate to you for a little over 500 WHP on straight gasoline. But, on E-85 it'll depend on the boost level. When comparing E-85 to pumpgas then BSFC's are not directly equivalent. Anything over 500 WHP on E-85 will require a much higher volume of fuel delivery than 500WHP on straight pump gasoline would.

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Old May 8, 2010 | 08:23 AM
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^ i understand what youre saying. i was simply passing on information that i have been told by several well known tuners. the OP said his goal is 400whp so i think i double pumper isnt really necessary at the moment. if you want anything over 500 then yes youll definitely need a double pumper.
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