Upgrading Coils and Ignition control
It is out and off my car also, I had it for 1 month working great and all of the sudden the car started to have a problem firing, why, I dont know, I disconnected it, car ran fine, put it back, started working fine and then same problem again. Same thing happened on 1 of my customer cars.
I think one of the issues I've come across is some of these devices have some level of timing retard built into them.. I suspect the ECU may be getting confused by it and causing drivability problems. Does the DLI-II have that feature (Boost retard or some other timing retard?) and can it be programmed or disabled?
Also, If your going to run an aftermarket ignition box, you definitely have to replace the coils just to be safe.. Unless the DLI is capable of disabling the triggering if it knows the engine isnt running.
Oh, one thing I noticed with these aftermarket ignition boxes, its possible they are damaging the stock coils because their boosting the power to the coils "In preparation for cranking" when the engine is in the run position but its not actually running.
If that is the case, its possible to clamp the output current/voltage to prevent it from damaging the coils.. I'm working on something for that now.
I'm waiting on some components, I have 2 DIS2 boxes that I'm expecting to get at some point.. 1 is new, 1 is used.. but the new one that I was supposed to get by tomorrow is now backordered and It'll need to wait a bit. I'll have something soon though..
Also, If your going to run an aftermarket ignition box, you definitely have to replace the coils just to be safe.. Unless the DLI is capable of disabling the triggering if it knows the engine isnt running.
Oh, one thing I noticed with these aftermarket ignition boxes, its possible they are damaging the stock coils because their boosting the power to the coils "In preparation for cranking" when the engine is in the run position but its not actually running.
If that is the case, its possible to clamp the output current/voltage to prevent it from damaging the coils.. I'm working on something for that now.
I'm waiting on some components, I have 2 DIS2 boxes that I'm expecting to get at some point.. 1 is new, 1 is used.. but the new one that I was supposed to get by tomorrow is now backordered and It'll need to wait a bit. I'll have something soon though..
Last edited by MalibuJack; Dec 17, 2003 at 03:13 PM.
Been reading up on these post because I just tested my coils(which were replaced by the dealer @ 3K miles. I have 14K now), and according to the FSM, the stock resistance should be anywhere from 8.5 - 11.5. One coil showed a resistance of 12.5, and the other showed a resistance of 14.5. So it is definitely way off, and is most likely the reason I am getting bogging and popping issues under WOT @ high rpms. Im not getting enough spark, and too much fuel is getting by without getting burnt up, thus causing the bog, and pop.
FWIW, I started getting misfiring codes not too long after my coils were replaced. I went to the dealer, and they said it was fine, and just to change the plugs. I did, and I still had the occasional misfire codes. I talked to a few evo owners though, and they said that they too recieved the occasional misfire code, and my car appeared to run fine, so I didnt think much of it. Now I regret it. Im hoping that I can get these coils replaced under warranty since most likely, the ones that were put on my car were defective to begin with.
Ken
FWIW, I started getting misfiring codes not too long after my coils were replaced. I went to the dealer, and they said it was fine, and just to change the plugs. I did, and I still had the occasional misfire codes. I talked to a few evo owners though, and they said that they too recieved the occasional misfire code, and my car appeared to run fine, so I didnt think much of it. Now I regret it. Im hoping that I can get these coils replaced under warranty since most likely, the ones that were put on my car were defective to begin with.
Ken
If this system is anything like what Buschur has been offering in the DSM community for a few years now. You guys wont be disappointed. If you are having ignition issues this will definitely solve it.
Also as Tym explained it will be Plug N Play. I have their dsm version and love it. It just gives you a Piece of mind when you can look at one of the Buschurs race cars and see the exact same parts you have on your very own street car. Remember Buschur started 4g63 tuning in the U.S 15 years ago. They know what works and whats BULL****
Also as Tym explained it will be Plug N Play. I have their dsm version and love it. It just gives you a Piece of mind when you can look at one of the Buschurs race cars and see the exact same parts you have on your very own street car. Remember Buschur started 4g63 tuning in the U.S 15 years ago. They know what works and whats BULL****
Last edited by JDM AWD; Jan 11, 2004 at 06:08 AM.
I think the only issue with using an aftermarket ignition box with the Evo is you will definitely have to replace the coils, ignition amplifiers will end up damaging the stock coils. I am still trying to figure out the easiest way to set up a 1 coil per plug setup (which is currently "In development" from buschur, plug and play systems are certainly the easiest way...) But as soon as buschur makes their setup available, I'll probably order it.
I definitely think ignition upgrades are beneficial in general even though most are currently not seeing a real issue with the stock setup, my personal experience (which I've mentioned quite a few times in the past) has always been that an ignition upgrade allows the plugs to fire in circumstances which it might otherwise "blow out" such as allowing larger gaps or plug selection errors, or even the ability to fire a fouled plug that might otherwise have reached its end of life earlier.
Again, thats just my personal opinion.. Its interesting that many are reluctant to upgrade the ignition system simply because the stock system is adequate, but my gut is just telling me that its good insurance even with mild modifications.. Though understandably an expensive proposition (As compared to a traditional MSD Setup on an old school V8 car where this would have been one of the first mods)
I definitely think ignition upgrades are beneficial in general even though most are currently not seeing a real issue with the stock setup, my personal experience (which I've mentioned quite a few times in the past) has always been that an ignition upgrade allows the plugs to fire in circumstances which it might otherwise "blow out" such as allowing larger gaps or plug selection errors, or even the ability to fire a fouled plug that might otherwise have reached its end of life earlier.
Again, thats just my personal opinion.. Its interesting that many are reluctant to upgrade the ignition system simply because the stock system is adequate, but my gut is just telling me that its good insurance even with mild modifications.. Though understandably an expensive proposition (As compared to a traditional MSD Setup on an old school V8 car where this would have been one of the first mods)
I am going to put MSD Blaster Coils and MSD wires on my own vehicle. I have had the Buschur COP on a DSM in the past a long time ago. It was quite impressive, actually. That is compared to a coilpack. I think there are several COP setups that are coming out and would work quite well, but I think some COP setups are very pricey for what they are. Check the AEM forums, but a lot of guys are making their own COP setup with motorcycle coils to quite good results.
My own EVO with be fully sequential with AEM C2DI and MSD Blaster coils (x4).
I would try the ignition modules on the stock coils before saying they will roast them (just to be sure).
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com
My own EVO with be fully sequential with AEM C2DI and MSD Blaster coils (x4).
I would try the ignition modules on the stock coils before saying they will roast them (just to be sure).
Mark
www.Quantum-Racing.com




