It seems like the vast majority of tuners are hitting 11s using race gas, which i feel is a bit like cheating, or using Nitrous. It isn't an accurate representation of what your car can do on any given day, running regular-*** less than 5 bucks a gallon fuel.

whats the lowest times people have seen on regular fuel?

Even worse, what are the lower times people have seen run on 91-octane?

 

I think buschur's car may have run high 11's with pump gas.. I am pretty sure I've heard of several cars running reasonable boost on 93 and getting 11.9's or so.. I plan on it..

 

heh heh.. 100oct is 3.60/gal at the pump here in chi-town!

i'm sure someone has ran an 11 with 93oct tho.. it's definitely not impossible... just quite a bit tougher...

and of course we're talking about stock turbo, right?

 

Why go to the track unprepared? If I'm running, I want every margin of safety as well as performance for the few extra bucks, be that race gas or sticky tires.

If you want a pump-gas warrior, go buy an LS1.

 

I recall Al saying Buschur Stage 4, with his DynoFlash ran 11.80 @ 119 or something with pump gas.

Pretty impressive..

 

Hmmmm.. i wonder who could that be ..

However
I used 116oct on 23psi to hit that 11.8@119mph... if only my tires would catch grip and have a better 60ft maybe my time would have been a lower...

 

Because he states he wants to know what he can run on any given Thursday, not Sunday at the strip. The vast majority find what your car could do on the way to work vs. what it will do at the strip much more a testament to the cars ability. Who gives a **** what time slip your holding when your in the rear view during the week. Their are a **** load of us who refuse to run race gas all of the time and have no use for a car that has to.

PS The LS1 was stupid and uncalled for... esp since he is in the majority.

 

Why? If you want a small displacement, high-boost car and swear by pump gas, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Those LS1 guys are putting out some RIDICULOUS times on 93 octane. Numbers we'll never see.

And what are you doing pushing 1/4 mile runs on the street? Are you insane?

 

You miss the point... There are many DSMs putting over 500whp now on pump pee. Now, more than ever, there is the increasing interest in pump gas power.


1/4 mile runs on the street? I have no idea why you jumped to that conclusion... cause that is what the kids are doing? I will use the Hondas as a good example. Numb nuts has a slip for his FWD 11sec car... on slicks, on race gas. What is that going to do for the Auto X, the track, or that lonely road home when the Yuppie in the expensive car next to you wont go away no matter what. Now I don't condone racing on the street by any means (Esp. now that it is a minimum Class B in Texas), but it is nice to know you do have the "get go" if you want it. For the record I've been know to walk away from an "offending party" on the hwy (rarely), but I will not in gage in stop light hy jinx, or goof around in traffic. (not that it is any better). Who cares what your car can do on a 1/4 STRIP (to me calling it a real track is demeaning). The here and the now is what matters the most, as goes the growing trend. This is shown in the growing number of vendors that are starting to post pump gas numbers in stead of race gas. Don't be blind, look around and see that pump gas is the rising trend... it doesn't matter who agrees, or disagrees. What is, is what is. So all the race gas jockeys can continue to enjoy their thing, and quit busting on those who want to know what their car is capable of on any given day of the week!

 

The new pump-gas turbo kits should hit 11's easy. DSM's with 50 trim turbos have been doing it for years. Turbos like the GT30R, GT35R, and 50 trims should all get your car into the 11's on pump gas 93.

the reason we haven't seen any yet is because tuners have focused on going as fast as possible and getting the highest dyno numbers. On race gas, the stock turbo has made almost 400 whp and ran 11's. With a new turbo, 400wp should be no sweat on pump gas.

 

Last time I checked there was one.

 

I agree. Race gas is fun when you have a few extra bux to spend on a little more speed. However, for the MAJORITY or evo owners who use it as their daily driver, keep C16 in the tank 24/7 is absurd. If I see graphs on race gas I don't even pay them any mind b/c it has no bearing to me. Pump gas numbers are all that matter to me. That like taking out the rear/passenger seats, spare, bumper braces, and whatever else to save weight at the strip. Yeah you get better times, but when you meet the guy on the street that ran the same times with a stock interior and he pulls on you it doesn't seem like such a victory does it?

 

Larger turbos will heat the air less as it compresses it vice the stock turbo. That is why you can make more power with a bigger turbo. Just a little info for everyone. I think AMS has ran a 12.0 on 93 pump gas on the stock turbo.

 

Buschur ran a 12.09 on 94 and 19psi...Stock Turbo.

 

Zeus is right, I for one could not give a rats *** what a car does on race gas. Right here and now, no excuses, that's whats up. I don't give a **** if your car can sprout wings and fly on race gas, my car could break the sound barrier in I strapped on an F-1 engine from a Satur V rocket. Its all about what can it do on pump, with street tires on, the interior set the way you run it every day, and your cd case in the back seat.