als dyno flash vs bushur flash
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als dyno flash vs bushur flash
OK lets be honest here am not trying to start a fight i want a straight answer a honest one, i want to gaine good horse power. People usually go for als for one reason, its closer to some of us even though i could get it refllashed by sending it in, but is not the same as putting the car at the dyno and tring to maximize power in the field neccessary. I want to know what is best for me to do at this piont who has actually gaine the most horsepower between the two flashes provided by bushur & als. Also i have bushurs full 3inch exhaust,intake, upper ic pipe except for intercooler
Please post opinion piers
Please post opinion piers
I am getting close to stage 4 setup, I will be getting stage4 flashing even though some of my parts are not buschar like my hks rs intake. I wonder if he can do custom dyno tunes or if his maps are already setup for a basic stage's......
Originally posted by ez76
A custom-tuned DynoFlash would probably outperform a through-the-mail BuschurFlash, which needs to have margins of safety in order to be mass-marketed.
A custom-tuned DynoFlash would probably outperform a through-the-mail BuschurFlash, which needs to have margins of safety in order to be mass-marketed.
LOL this post is funny! newbies crack me up sometimes... maybe you should use the SEARCH button. You would quickly find out AL made the map for the busher flash. Had very nice results.
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I don't think Al made the map for buschurflash. From what I read, Al showed Dave and Tym how to flash an ECU and then let them use his equipment, Dave and Tym did all the tuning. So a buschurflash is in fact a flash tuned by buschur.
I am actually wondering the same thing as the original poster. Aparantly when you order a buschur flash from buschur, they send your ecu to AL so he can flash it with the buschur tune. Personally I like the idea of a custom tune, so I may pick Al when I get my stage 3. But I'm undecided at this point.
I am actually wondering the same thing as the original poster. Aparantly when you order a buschur flash from buschur, they send your ecu to AL so he can flash it with the buschur tune. Personally I like the idea of a custom tune, so I may pick Al when I get my stage 3. But I'm undecided at this point.
The Buschur Flash is exactly that. A custom tune we did here using Al's equipment.
Al and I have an agreement that the custom flash we did here will only be available THROUGH us.
We handled a few issues that we didn't like that Al had before. One was the flash couldn't handle the cars with the cams without the use of the AFC too. The other was the fall off at in HP in the upper RPM's.
After working together we have the cars idling now with the cams and no AFC and the loss in HP in as the RPM's climb are gone.
We are finding the if you do not have ONLY our parts on in your combination that the flash by itself is not tuned perfectly. This means one of two things. You can get the flash but will have to fine tune with something else, like the AFC or you will have to make sure you use only our stages and then you can run just the flash.
How it actually works is this. You call us order the Staged flash you want to get. We take your credit card number down and then give you an RA#. You will then get the address to send the ECU to along with the RA#. Without this RA# from us, Al will NOT put a Buschur Flash into an ECU.
Hope this helps,
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Al and I have an agreement that the custom flash we did here will only be available THROUGH us.
We handled a few issues that we didn't like that Al had before. One was the flash couldn't handle the cars with the cams without the use of the AFC too. The other was the fall off at in HP in the upper RPM's.
After working together we have the cars idling now with the cams and no AFC and the loss in HP in as the RPM's climb are gone.
We are finding the if you do not have ONLY our parts on in your combination that the flash by itself is not tuned perfectly. This means one of two things. You can get the flash but will have to fine tune with something else, like the AFC or you will have to make sure you use only our stages and then you can run just the flash.
How it actually works is this. You call us order the Staged flash you want to get. We take your credit card number down and then give you an RA#. You will then get the address to send the ECU to along with the RA#. Without this RA# from us, Al will NOT put a Buschur Flash into an ECU.
Hope this helps,
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
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I've got some questions on this myself. I guess the big question is whether Al has incorporated the Buschur tuning secrets into his own DynoFlashes.
He's clearly posted that he learned a lot at Buschur's shop even though he didn't personally do the tuning and he implied that this new technology will improve his own flashes.
Yet, he's also posted that at least one DynoFlash customer (Rollaway) got much better results from the BuschurFlash than his previous DynoFlash. Al posted on 1/22/04: This Rollaway guy is serious about not posting his numbers. He is prob the world's most serious street racer - I have hear of many a person he has taken down! This is the same guy who went 11.80 @ 119 with the SAFC and dyno flash I think he agrees that the Buschur Flash blows away what he had before!
I recall that at least one person had a BuschurFlash with a non-Buschur intake and had Al do some custom modifications to the BuschurFlash to make it work (for an additional charge). This suggests that the BuschurFlash with adjustments is potentially better than a plain old DynoFlash, otherwise why would someone like that guy (or Rollaway) with personal access to Pruven mess around with a BuschurFlash.
I find it hard to believe that Al wouldn't catch on to Buschur's methods though. He knows tuning. He's got the settings in his own computer and must know what they are. I can't imagine why he wouldn't incorporate them into his own tunes. I know that by agreement with Buschur Racing that he won't sell a carbon copy of the BuschurFlashes, but does that mean that he isn't at liberty to do a custom tune on the dyno for a customer and apply what he has learned through the development of the Buschur product?
So, logically, a post-BuschurFlash development DynoFlash should be superior to a BuschurFlash, but there seems to be this suggestion by even DynoFlash that the BuschurFlash has an advantage over a DynoFlash. Or, perhaps that only applies to a pre-BuschurFlash DynoFlash
Not sure if I've made any sense, but if this was clear as day to me I wouldn't be posting the question!!
Anyhow, I'd like some clarification because it's likely that I'll go one way or the other this Spring. Thanks.
He's clearly posted that he learned a lot at Buschur's shop even though he didn't personally do the tuning and he implied that this new technology will improve his own flashes.
Yet, he's also posted that at least one DynoFlash customer (Rollaway) got much better results from the BuschurFlash than his previous DynoFlash. Al posted on 1/22/04: This Rollaway guy is serious about not posting his numbers. He is prob the world's most serious street racer - I have hear of many a person he has taken down! This is the same guy who went 11.80 @ 119 with the SAFC and dyno flash I think he agrees that the Buschur Flash blows away what he had before!
I recall that at least one person had a BuschurFlash with a non-Buschur intake and had Al do some custom modifications to the BuschurFlash to make it work (for an additional charge). This suggests that the BuschurFlash with adjustments is potentially better than a plain old DynoFlash, otherwise why would someone like that guy (or Rollaway) with personal access to Pruven mess around with a BuschurFlash.
I find it hard to believe that Al wouldn't catch on to Buschur's methods though. He knows tuning. He's got the settings in his own computer and must know what they are. I can't imagine why he wouldn't incorporate them into his own tunes. I know that by agreement with Buschur Racing that he won't sell a carbon copy of the BuschurFlashes, but does that mean that he isn't at liberty to do a custom tune on the dyno for a customer and apply what he has learned through the development of the Buschur product?
So, logically, a post-BuschurFlash development DynoFlash should be superior to a BuschurFlash, but there seems to be this suggestion by even DynoFlash that the BuschurFlash has an advantage over a DynoFlash. Or, perhaps that only applies to a pre-BuschurFlash DynoFlash
Not sure if I've made any sense, but if this was clear as day to me I wouldn't be posting the question!!
Anyhow, I'd like some clarification because it's likely that I'll go one way or the other this Spring. Thanks.
Last edited by RichJ; Jan 31, 2004 at 06:27 PM.
The answers to the gentelman's questions are very simple and basic
ANYONE who needs a tune for a Buschur Stage 3 or 4 with cams CAN NOT get any dynoflash through the mail - you can ONLY buy the Buschur Flash and ONLY through Bushur Racing
I DO NOT offer a Dyno Flash for those set ups
IF you have any other set up - any differences from the Buschur set up - e.g. different intake - then you will need custom tuning - the Buschur Flash only works with Buschur set up
Now onto the question of has the other custom and mail dyno flashes improved the lot of my dyno flashes - -
Of course it has. Every tune I do I get beter and learn the evo better. I have tuned 335 evos now and I am still getting better and better. Watching Dave Buschur and Tym resolve the problems of the reflash was ceratinly a learning experience.
I learned a incredable amount of evos, 4g63, tuning, turbos, business, class and respect in my short day at Buschur Racing. They are masters of their trade and experts at what they do.
Please keep in mind that I learned a heck of a lot by watching and learning from Dan at Pruven Performance also.
Way back in a time and space long forgotten they were ALL clients of Buschur Racing - even Sheppard. Dave Buchur is the pioneer of 4g63 - the one who took the first steps. A guy who tells it like it is, who gives a fair product at a fair price and a man with him I am very proud to have associated my company with.
My mission is to stick at one thing - one car and one method - over and over again until I master it and become as good as I can be.
ANYONE who needs a tune for a Buschur Stage 3 or 4 with cams CAN NOT get any dynoflash through the mail - you can ONLY buy the Buschur Flash and ONLY through Bushur Racing
I DO NOT offer a Dyno Flash for those set ups
IF you have any other set up - any differences from the Buschur set up - e.g. different intake - then you will need custom tuning - the Buschur Flash only works with Buschur set up
Now onto the question of has the other custom and mail dyno flashes improved the lot of my dyno flashes - -
Of course it has. Every tune I do I get beter and learn the evo better. I have tuned 335 evos now and I am still getting better and better. Watching Dave Buschur and Tym resolve the problems of the reflash was ceratinly a learning experience.
I learned a incredable amount of evos, 4g63, tuning, turbos, business, class and respect in my short day at Buschur Racing. They are masters of their trade and experts at what they do.
Please keep in mind that I learned a heck of a lot by watching and learning from Dan at Pruven Performance also.
Way back in a time and space long forgotten they were ALL clients of Buschur Racing - even Sheppard. Dave Buchur is the pioneer of 4g63 - the one who took the first steps. A guy who tells it like it is, who gives a fair product at a fair price and a man with him I am very proud to have associated my company with.
My mission is to stick at one thing - one car and one method - over and over again until I master it and become as good as I can be.
Last edited by Alfriedesq; Jan 31, 2004 at 10:21 PM.
My car was the test mule for the 91 calif gas... So Dave gave me a great price on the RA# so he could get the data (thanks Dave) I have a BR Stage IV "by the numbers" no deviations... but I wanted more out of my EVO... get "closer to the line" than Dave was willing to go with a "through the mail" Flash. The flash I wanted was a race gas flash that I could "tune down" with the SAFC rather than a 91 map that I would "tune up". The extra $s spent with BuschursFlash and Al "tailoring" it to my race gas setup was the best money spent... We were able to Maximize the potential of the Buschur parts.. (the best complete system out there) I bought BR parts to begin with because EVERY mod they make has the end goal firmly in mind. They've been there done that so many times with this motor that they know where they're going and what the results will be...and they won't sell it till it's ready (I had bent my IC and baggered Tym for 4 weeks but they were still "massaging" the final design) and when it's ready you can install it in your driveway (you do need to know which end of a screwdriver to use...;-)..)Best/Most complete instructions (no need to learn Japanese). GREAT parts, BETTER pricing, and THE BEST service this side of Monica Lewinski!!! I can't believe anyone buys elsewhere... but It's a free country (unless you live in NorCal) ;-).
PS. Proud to represent Buschur Racing @ the Sport Compact Evo Tuner Shootout... (lets see it Buschur Racings $4500.00 "David" can slay a few $10,000.00+ Goliaths). Still on my 16G and proud of it...(but already lusting for a BR475 setup...)
PS. Proud to represent Buschur Racing @ the Sport Compact Evo Tuner Shootout... (lets see it Buschur Racings $4500.00 "David" can slay a few $10,000.00+ Goliaths). Still on my 16G and proud of it...(but already lusting for a BR475 setup...)