2.0 156mm Setup or 2.3 Stroker
2.0 156mm Setup or 2.3 Stroker
I will be building my block but am too much confused on what to do
I am not building a race car but I want to get some good numbers out of it
Mostly do roll races(40-140mph)...
I think a 6466 or a GTX35R would be fine
Plan 1:
I can stay 2.0 and go with 156mm rods. I can rev to 9000k
(cost of parts = $1600)
Carrillo 156mm Long Rods w/ WMC Bolts
CP 10.5 CR 85.5mm Pistons (to be used with the long rods)
Plan 2:
Not sure if I need the extra 0.3lt stroke but it will definitely lower my max rpm
It will help to spool faster though
(cost of parts = $2500)
MAP 2.3 Stroker Kit which includes
Wiseco 9.0 CR Pistons
MAP Rods
K1 100mm Crankshaft
I am not building a race car but I want to get some good numbers out of it
Mostly do roll races(40-140mph)...
I think a 6466 or a GTX35R would be fine
Plan 1:
I can stay 2.0 and go with 156mm rods. I can rev to 9000k
(cost of parts = $1600)
Carrillo 156mm Long Rods w/ WMC Bolts
CP 10.5 CR 85.5mm Pistons (to be used with the long rods)
Plan 2:
Not sure if I need the extra 0.3lt stroke but it will definitely lower my max rpm
It will help to spool faster though
(cost of parts = $2500)
MAP 2.3 Stroker Kit which includes
Wiseco 9.0 CR Pistons
MAP Rods
K1 100mm Crankshaft
i would stick with the 2.0.the 2.3 will never compete with that 2.0 if you install a 6466.the turbo won't spool til almost 5,000rpm on a 2.3 and you will have to shift at 7,500rpm so you will miss out on a ton of the powerband.
the 2.0 will spool by 5,500 but like you said you get to go up to 9,000 so you a whole 1000rpm under power.it's really a no brainer.
the high revving 2.3 would be a good alternative,but you will spend more money on it getting it to turn 8,500 rpm.
the 2.0 will spool by 5,500 but like you said you get to go up to 9,000 so you a whole 1000rpm under power.it's really a no brainer.
the high revving 2.3 would be a good alternative,but you will spend more money on it getting it to turn 8,500 rpm.
Why not think additional displacement, but smaller turbo than what you've specified. Neither of those choices make for a "street car" setup. How much power do you want, 500whp? FP black will suit. 600Whp? PTE 5858 will do just fine. People get all googly over big turbos and big graphs, but how much power do you really need?
Why not think additional displacement, but smaller turbo than what you've specified. Neither of those choices make for a "street car" setup. How much power do you want, 500whp? FP black will suit. 600Whp? PTE 5858 will do just fine. People get all googly over big turbos and big graphs, but how much power do you really need?
I would be happy with 550 whp range
I know the FP Black could make those powers but I do want a bigger turbo. The FP Black will spool too quick and I live in Istanbul, Turkey where 91oct is 10.4 USD per gallon
The cost of driving an Evo is too much here. I think if I get a bigger Turbo, the car will at least have better mileage with daily driving it.
I don't think a GT35R is a huge Turbo...
I love this idea that huge turbo lag is desirable as a method to reduce fuel consumption. Sure you will probably achieve an increase in MPG, but at what cost? Is your need for speed so great that you cant control the urge to floor the throttle in 5th gear at 1500 RPM? Wouldn't the EVO be a lot more fun if you build a properly matched setup and control throttle with your foot? I bet you could easily match the mpg of a 40r kit with an FP green. Once you have that giant snail you cant really get the response back without NOS.
i would stick with the 2.0.the 2.3 will never compete with that 2.0 if you install a 6466.the turbo won't spool til almost 5,000rpm on a 2.3 and you will have to shift at 7,500rpm so you will miss out on a ton of the powerband.
the 2.0 will spool by 5,500 but like you said you get to go up to 9,000 so you a whole 1000rpm under power.it's really a no brainer.
the high revving 2.3 would be a good alternative,but you will spend more money on it getting it to turn 8,500 rpm.
the 2.0 will spool by 5,500 but like you said you get to go up to 9,000 so you a whole 1000rpm under power.it's really a no brainer.
the high revving 2.3 would be a good alternative,but you will spend more money on it getting it to turn 8,500 rpm.
let the ones with true facts speak
thanks
why only rev 2.3 to 7500? what'd you build it with 500$?
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.3 liters is goood for 30whp/60wtq. been proven over and over again. usually followed with "I will never build another 2.0"
.3 liters is goood for 30whp/60wtq. been proven over and over again. usually followed with "I will never build another 2.0"
Last edited by 94AWDcoupe; Oct 23, 2012 at 06:53 AM.
why only rev 2.3 to 7500? what'd you build it with 500$?
option 2 as the OP listed above is almost $3000 at MAP and that is just parts with no machining.as i said before you need to spend money on a 2.3 to get the most out of a 6466 turbo.
the AMS 2.3 high revving kit is $10,000 now,which is $3,000 more than the 2.0 and probably still won't rev as high.
i agree 2.3 is better and 2.4 is better still,but you need to use better internals if you want to rev it past 8,000rpm.
there are several ways to build a motor,but you will not max out the 6466 with a base 2.3 motor,sorry you are a douche ezzey.
how high do you want to rev a base 2.3?9,000rpm?if you build a cheap 2.3 with an OEM 100mm and h-beam rods you will be limited on rpm's.
option 2 as the OP listed above is almost $3000 at MAP and that is just parts with no machining.as i said before you need to spend money on a 2.3 to get the most out of a 6466 turbo.
the AMS 2.3 high revving kit is $10,000 now,which is $3,000 more than the 2.0 and probably still won't rev as high.
i agree 2.3 is better and 2.4 is better still,but you need to use better internals if you want to rev it past 8,000rpm.
there are several ways to build a motor,but you will not max out the 6466 with a base 2.3 motor,sorry you are a douche ezzey.
option 2 as the OP listed above is almost $3000 at MAP and that is just parts with no machining.as i said before you need to spend money on a 2.3 to get the most out of a 6466 turbo.
the AMS 2.3 high revving kit is $10,000 now,which is $3,000 more than the 2.0 and probably still won't rev as high.
i agree 2.3 is better and 2.4 is better still,but you need to use better internals if you want to rev it past 8,000rpm.
there are several ways to build a motor,but you will not max out the 6466 with a base 2.3 motor,sorry you are a douche ezzey.
Not sure on the quality of the MAP rods but that's what they offer with the 2.3 kit
as for the crankshaft, I'd never get the eagle. I can get the 94mm (2.2lt) or the 100mm (2.3lt) K1 Crankshaft
I would be happy with 8000rpm with a 2.2 - 2.3 block
As for the Turbo, I think I will stick with the GT35R
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For roll racing, I'd go 2.0 with that turbo.
.3ltr giving 30/60 may be true, albeit depending on your combo ( intake manifold, cams, turbo and header). But that's not the end all to end all.
Rpm creates hp, as long as there is dense air/fuel available more power will be created.
The stroker is limited compared to the 2.0 in terms of revs.
Light to light, 2.3 all day.
Drag or highway, 2.0.
Take a look at the fastest drag times...2.0
Or call STM
.3ltr giving 30/60 may be true, albeit depending on your combo ( intake manifold, cams, turbo and header). But that's not the end all to end all.
Rpm creates hp, as long as there is dense air/fuel available more power will be created.
The stroker is limited compared to the 2.0 in terms of revs.
Light to light, 2.3 all day.
Drag or highway, 2.0.
Take a look at the fastest drag times...2.0
Or call STM
i would stick with the 2.0.the 2.3 will never compete with that 2.0 if you install a 6466.the turbo won't spool til almost 5,000rpm on a 2.3 and you will have to shift at 7,500rpm so you will miss out on a ton of the powerband.
the 2.0 will spool by 5,500 but like you said you get to go up to 9,000 so you a whole 1000rpm under power.it's really a no brainer.
the high revving 2.3 would be a good alternative,but you will spend more money on it getting it to turn 8,500 rpm.
the 2.0 will spool by 5,500 but like you said you get to go up to 9,000 so you a whole 1000rpm under power.it's really a no brainer.
the high revving 2.3 would be a good alternative,but you will spend more money on it getting it to turn 8,500 rpm.
My 2.4L with 10.1 CR starts spooling at ~3000rpm with a PTE JB t3 6765 and by 5k i have 22psi. Id imagine a smaller turbo like a 6262 would start spooling up way earlier. Id imagine a gt35 would start spooling up at least 600-800rpm sooner on a 2.4L then a 6765. Correct me if i am wrong.






