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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 03:30 PM
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Clean spots on valves show where the valves contacted the piston.


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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 03:31 PM
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That exhaust cam gear looks like it slipped a bit or is scratched while it was adjusted. How do BOTH cam gear line up to the valve cover timing marks?? Your first pic shows the cam gear timing marks at the 9 o'clock position....Your 2nd pic of the scratches by the cam adjuster bolts.

Regardless it doesn't seem like a well put together 'built' motor. I'm sorry you have to go through this! Hopefully TLP will chime in and give you some info and not BS.

GL and keep us posted!!

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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Engine block (black ash everywhere from carbon flaking off of combustion chamber and pistons.



Scratching on surface of block.



The dark spot on the valve pocket shows where the valves contacted the piston.



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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 03:53 PM
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Not what I would have expected from a brand new motor build by a performance shop.

Sorry you have to go through all this, Kris.

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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 04:03 PM
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The engine was supposed to come with Brand new Manely I beam rods, Brand new ACL bearings, Brand new oil pump, balance shaft eliminator kit, L19 Arp head studs, and a Brand new Cometic head gasket.
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by golgo13
Not what I would have expected from a brand new motor build by a performance shop.

Sorry you have to go through all this, Kris.

Just want to have this resolved asap
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 06:31 PM
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So this was supposed to be a brand new shortblock that hadn't been started? Nothing got done to the cylinder head at all. Unfortunately the pic of the timing marks doesnt show the intake cam and the exhaust cam at the same time. That looks like a Fidanza which is normally drilled for both a DSM and an Evo but I can't tell which dowel they used.

If that was a brand new motor that hadnt been started then you were lied to based on the amount of carbon build up already. If it had miles on it before this my next question would be is there any sign it slipped time on the timing belt because the tensioner wasnt set right, wrong belt, etc.?

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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by krisdlm
The engine was supposed to come with Brand new Manely I beam rods, Brand new ACL bearings, Brand new oil pump, balance shaft eliminator kit, L19 Arp head studs, and a Brand new Cometic head gasket.
So did you not get those parts that you paid for?
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 10:26 PM
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In talking to him through PM, it appears that FFTEC did a compression test on the TopLevel motor before starting the car for the first time with the new motor and found these issues. From my understanding he was told he was buying a new motor and it turned out to be a used POS.

Kris, correct me if I'm wrong on any of that.
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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SmurfZilla
So did you not get those parts that you paid for?
I have no idea about the rods, bearings, or the BSE kit since FFTEC doesn't have access to those areas of the motor without further disassembly. There would have to be a lot of labor to verify those parts and I am not exactly willing to shell out more money at this point.
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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 03:09 PM
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I talked to Toplevel and they said they will be starting a thread on this issue
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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by krisdlm
The engine was supposed to come with Brand new Manely I beam rods, Brand new ACL bearings, Brand new oil pump, balance shaft eliminator kit, L19 Arp head studs, and a Brand new Cometic head gasket.
How much of that stuff has been determined to be missing?

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So this was supposed to be a brand new shortblock that hadn't been started? Nothing got done to the cylinder head at all. Unfortunately the pic of the timing marks doesnt show the intake cam and the exhaust cam at the same time. That looks like a Fidanza which is normally drilled for both a DSM and an Evo but I can't tell which dowel they used.

If that was a brand new motor that hadnt been started then you were lied to based on the amount of carbon build up already. If it had miles on it before this my next question would be is there any sign it slipped time on the timing belt because the tensioner wasnt set right, wrong belt, etc.?

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Exactly what I was about to say. Me thinks some treachery is a foot. Certainly not a new motor. I would NEVER order a short block or long block unless Buschur or AMS.
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Old Jan 31, 2013 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by krisdlm
I talked to Toplevel and they said they will be starting a thread on this issue
You would think they would just comment into this thread over starting a 2nd one on the same topic.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 10:32 AM
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Any updates on this matter?
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverShadow03
Any updates on this matter?
car is with fftec right now and the head is getting a valve job. Toplevel was trying to get me to ship the car to them or fly them out to take care of the car..
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