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David Buschur Aug 6, 2003 10:32 AM

New turbo kit and much more.....
 
Hi all,

Man has it been awhile since I took the time to sit down here and catch up.

There are so many shops out there messing with the EVO. Some of the stuff I am seeing in the magazines are such are joke. How the hell do you get invited to one of these shootouts they have anyway?!!

I keep seeing one particular company invited to these things and they aren't doing well in my book. Spending over $4,000 on your new EVO and running little better than a REAL stock EVO time is a joke. $2,000 for an exhaust and some hokey computer upgrade isn't acceptable either.

I want an invitiation!!

Anyway, we've been super busy with the car here. Guys are coming through here and are happy as hell with the results. The 11th Annual DSM Shootout was the biggest and best ever. We had 225 cars racing, over 25 EVO's that I counted. All the best performing shops were there. AMS, Pruven, Extreme and of course us. One of our EVO customers won the event. Super nice guy, never been to the race track before. Tommy, the winner of the EVO class, showed up at our shop Friday. He already had our exhaust, airfilter, AFC and boost controller on the car. He wanted me to put the MAS pipe and I/C pipe on the car, I was hesitant but did it on my back out in the gravel so he would be my, "Best friend for life" as he said;) Darn glad I did the install. The proof of the parts was in his winning and driving around the entire field for the win. Tommy clicked off consistent 12 second runs and his best of the day was a 12.5 at 109 mph. Not bad for the $2,000 he spent.

On to the actual post.

We have had the car torn apart again working on more parts. We have the prototype manifold, turbo, 02 housing, i/c plumbing and lines finished. The kit fits like a glove. These kits will produce from stock levels of hp up to well over 650 hp to the wheels with the right supporting modifications. The hold up on getting them out right now is getting some parts cast. We were going to go with a tubular header and build them. For the last 15 years we have tried headers on the 4G63 in the DSM's. No success has come of it. The problem is that eventually the header is going to break. The car is then going to be down for repair or worse yet leave you stranded somewhere. The cast manifold is the best long term solution.

Here is a picture of the kit on the car, turbo and manifold.

http://buschurracing.com/EVODEV1.html

We are running a manifold very similar to this in design on our 1988 Conquest with a 4G64 powerplant. This can be found on our website also. The car has recently made 661 hp to the wheels and run 8.71 at 151 mph.

You can contact me directly at:davidbuschur@buschurracing.com
with any questions or comments.

We are working like mad like I said, we want to be able to release this kit ASAP. We are going to be at the mercy of other factories to get it started though.

Take care all,

David Buschur
President
Buschur Racing, Inc.

spoolinEVO8 Aug 6, 2003 11:06 AM

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Lookin forward to more, better products!

Ken

loudogz Aug 6, 2003 11:13 AM

Patiently waiting
 
I will be patient waiting for this product to come out..... I am not going to be raped by vishnu. I just can't justify paying $1100 or more for a turboback. Most of the stuff he sells are just way too expensive..... :guitar: {thumbup}

EvoJimbo Aug 6, 2003 11:26 AM

I think all the major EVO tuners should have a battle.

newevo8 Aug 6, 2003 11:35 AM


Originally posted by EvoJimbo
I think all the major EVO tuners should have a battle.
UUUUUMMMMMMM! Tried that and it never materialized. Some people thought the dyno would be rigged or what ever other excuse they could come up with to avoid some competition.


It would be grate though. Put your most recent staged kit on and go to the track.

Same clutch, tranny, tires. Everything else is the staged off the shelf kit. winner take all.

A price comparison write up would be nice also.

newevo8 Aug 6, 2003 11:52 AM

What else will be needed to fully utilize this kit?

Injectors ?

Cams ?

Cam gears ?

Tuning Time/ Approx. ?

Fuel Rail ?

Fuel Pump ?

Aftermarket Fuel Pressure Riser ?

thank you,

:guitar:

JDMEVO8forme Aug 6, 2003 11:59 AM

so what you saying is that for 2500$ bux i can get my evo up to 650 whp? i saw the line "These kits will produce from stock levels of hp up to well over 650 hp to the wheels with the right supporting modifications" what would these supporting Mods be? i would buy this kit if the total cost for the kit and all "supporting mods" didnt hit the 10k$ mark

David Buschur Aug 6, 2003 01:11 PM

Alright,

Shiv from Vishnu just called to discuss the post I made. He wante to clarify that it was his shop I was referring to. I told him it was.

He is a very calm guy, I am not. I have never met or spoken with him before this.

Anyway, he explained to me that all the cars in these shootouts he has been attending have been limited to 91 octane fuel. I wasn't aware of that and from the response I have been getting neither was anyone else.

He and I agree that 91 octane sucks and it will hurt performance.

I checked out his website and looked at his exhaust, after he said ours was "ugly". He is right, that is one pretty exhaust, all polished up and such, looks great. After 10,000 miles it is going to look the same as ours, coated in road grime and tar. Doesn't matter though, we don't drive on mirrors so noone is going to see either one. I agree that for twice the money that our full 3" mandrel bent stainless steel exhaust costs it should be really pretty. Can't really compete with a full 304 SS exhaust that weighs in at only 24 pounds for the entire system and costs $750, I guess you have to polish them and raise the price.

Like I said previously, I wish we could get invited to one of these shootouts with ours.

I guess working for Sport Compact Magazine (as Shiv told me he did) will get you contacts to such events. Looks like it has nothing to do with what you can build, it's who you know.

David Buschur
President
Buschur Racing, Inc.

David Buschur Aug 6, 2003 01:22 PM

What else will you need to make the horsepower?

Well that is going to depend on the turbo you chose to run with the kit. It is also going to depend on the strength of the bottom end of the car and the flow of the stock cylinder head.

The 650 hp I am going to say will take some head work and a few bottom end changes, I could be wrong.

I am also going to guess that 500 whp will be made on the stock long block.

Let's just take the 500 whp for an example:

1. Fuel management. We are currently working with AEM for a system for the car. There are a few other tuners that are waiting on it too. The basic AEM plus the wide band, 5 bar map and a few sensors needed run about $2200.

2. Fuel pressure regulator. $275, we will release one eventually like the one we have for the DSM's.

3. We haven't checked the flow on the fuel pump but lets assume it needs the best one we offer for in the tank, $450.

4. Fuel injectors. $450.

This brings the total up to $3375.

This did not include other mods that I would assume you would already have. i.e. exhaust, boost gauge, i/c plumbing, cams, boost control, air filter and MAS pipe.

Hope this helps.
David Buschur
President
Buschur Racing, Inc.

WRC4ever Aug 6, 2003 01:25 PM

post deleted after better thinking :)

Mach V Dan Aug 6, 2003 01:42 PM

Nothing like somebody speaking his mind to spice up the forum.

:headbang:

I'm excited about the manifold. It opens up a whole universe of turbo choices and the longevity of a manifold is something I really like.

--Dan
Mach V
MachEVO.com

shiv@vishnu Aug 6, 2003 01:53 PM


Originally posted by davidbuschur
I guess working for Sport Compact Magazine (as Shiv told me he did) will get you contacts to such events.
Actually, Dave, I never "worked" for them or anyone else in the industry, for that matter. I was a part-time freelancer (for a number of mags, scc included) before I started Vishnu Performance a few years ago. Sorry if I didn't make there clear.

Cheers,
shiv

limey Aug 6, 2003 02:04 PM

$3375.00 for all that
Your turbo kit $2000.00 minimum
Gas flowed cylinder head,crank, rods...assembly $6,000.00
Yep... as the pevious post said way over 10k for that sort of power....why are you trying to make it sound so inexpensive?

Grifter_MP5 Aug 6, 2003 02:32 PM

How much HP are you looking at getting with just the turbo kit and no supporting mods? Saying that you already have a boost controller, boost gauge, and exhuast. I'm looking at having around 400 HP to the wheels not too much more then that. Thanks.

IzenGreyEvo7 Aug 6, 2003 03:02 PM

Why is Buschur so critical of Vishnu for having better marketing? Part of doing business is marketing and making the connections to advertise and promote your products. This back lash is becoming very trivial and petty. How many companies have come and gone that made a superior product. Countless of them in all aspects of consumer products. All at lower prices, etc.. Making a better product does not grant success.

Buschur, why not commission an independent testing company to compare the performance of your products to your competition. Make a DVD, buy a mailing list, and send it out. Or hire a marketing person. Seems to me the resentment you harbor stems from your own failures in marketing and advertising.


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