Some may not like this, but you've got to fight the system, even if you were perfectly guilty. Why?

Because this comes down to a safety versus revenue generation for the state debate, and for what its worth, cops are also in the same boat as us. Why? Because they're almost forced to be part of the system that requires them to promote anti-speeding as safety. If the system truly wanted to help the motoring public drive better, there would be more marked patrol cars agmonst us showing us good driving habits, rather than unmarked, hiding-in-the-bushes cops that think traffic should revolve around them.

Where does the system become a problem? When there is even a perception that we're guilty until proven innocent. RADAR and LIDAR guns are too trusted as electronic magic boxes that when they put out a 'number' they must be right. Also the system is flawed when the numbers tell us that speeding is not a major cause of accidents, and the punishment for speeding comes directly out of your pocket once for the ticket, and then in the future with higher insurance payments. I'm starting to repeat some of the information from the first post that linked to a Canadian website, so I'll refer ya'll to there.

In short, speeding is not a major factor in accident safety, but anything that takes away from driver attentiveness is. This includes such things as signaling, what we listen too in our vehicles, our mental / emotional state, and others.

I'm ashamed to admit that my one and only accident was because of my physical state. No sleep. For the record, I was only going 10mph when it happened.

How many of us would love to have a cop handy for that 'one' person we saw blatently run a red light, when the red light was there for a good 10sec or so? Or that person that switched four full lanes of traffic without signaling? Do we not consider these more of a threat to our safety than speeding?

Thanks 0.02

jcnel.

 

u should get another one just for been a ***** are the other tickets explainable also?

good luck but i dont think u gonna get to far with this.

 

Your post is sorely lacking in reference and detail.

Whom are you addressing, and why are you making your statement?

Thanks,

jcnel.

 

hello!!!! his driving record have all the details.

 

what are you talking about? what driving record? I haven't gotten a ticket in 2 years before I got my evo.

 

huh?




is that out of record?

 

we are talking 6 tickets here in 5 months! what r u goind to tell the judge? that you r a good "safe" driver but cops dont like your car?

 

Man, I'm glad went with silver. When I drove a yellow WRX, I got ticketed twice in short order in Cobb county. Both times completely unfairly (once picked out of a crowd and once falsely accused of speeding)....

 

If he was using Lidar or Radar you don't even have a leg to stand on. The confinement of the beams for both guns has gotten so tight they can pick out a motorcycle amongst a pack of cars. And when you are in heavy traffic, the outside lane will most certainly be targeted more because of all the speeders who are trying to get through the traffic as fast as possible.

I can only sit back and smirk about all the people who post saying that Cops suck and they all profile...yadda yadda yadda. Here's the bottom line...the speed limit is the law. If you do 1 mph over it, you are speeding. It makes no difference how fast the ten million other cars around you are going. It's up to the mood and training of the cop whether or not he pulls you or the next guy. But if you are going over the limit, bite the bullet and be a man (or woman) about it. Quit *****ing because you broke the law and got busted on it.

 

Confinement of beams is a catch 22. The more confined you make your beam, the more potential for cosine effect errors. You cannot overcome cosine effects, and in fact, because of the cosine effect you want to have a wide beam. If you look closely at most radars out there, you'll notice most of them have about a 12 deg. halfbeam width. This gives the best coverage to illumate a target, but can certainly illuminate, with radio energy, multiple targets in a 'pack' at 500ft away. Once the car is past about the 500ft. mark the cosine effect will make the car look slower, but overall the reading is absolutely wrong as to what the car is doing.

Cosine effect is a really good reason WHY we have an officer that has to present BOTH a visual, human argument, and a RADAR or LIDAR evidence in court.

LIDAR is suppost to help solve the beam width issue by having such a narrow beam it can target a single car. Most beams are about 3 ft. in diameter at 500ft. AND you have to hold that beam there to get a reading, or at least for the computer to figure out the math, and give a speed reading. There is the strong chance that when you put a beam on a bike or car, and say that car is coming straight at you, the lidar beam stops being on the car, and bounces over on somthing else. What about the case where the beam is not really where the targeting device says it is? How do you prove that in court? I've seen a LOT of RADARs and LIDARs not be calibrated out in the field. Especially from the smaller cities and rural counties.

In all LIDARs, aka lasers, have their own problems, which is why we have a human (cop) behind both devices.

As far as traffic enforcement in general, we def. need officers for things like emergencies, bulguraries, theft, etc.... But, who out of us is willing to support officers that sit around waiting for things to happen? I'm not ... so we accept them doing sometimes assenine service, under the guise of safety, called traffic enforcement, which usually is just speeding charges. Can the system be better? Yes. It starts with education and learning on the part of the public, and on the part of the officers, and legal system.

Some friend cops actually remind me that not all cops are good people, with your best interest in mind. Unfortunately those are probably those who you will be pulled over by and harrassed in the EVO.

Let me present the flipside to this argument. The speed limits are too restrictive, and in many cases too slow. That's why a LOT of people will speed in certain situations regardless of what's posted. In that case, have you the gump to stand up for when the LAW is wrong? If we don't stand up through our LEGAL RIGHTS, expect to pay up. Not all the world is based on the Executive, and Legislative branch. The Judical is there for a reason, and provides perfectly good feedback to the Legislative, AND Executive.

As far as my opinion personally ... I fight every ticket I get, if even for the time involved to make sure the officer, and judge do their job correctly.

Good Luck All,

jcnel.

 

In the only mildly rigorous study of car color and its relation to speeding tickets, done by reviewing several years of citations in San Antonio, Texas, the distibution of speeding tickets were issued to the following colors:

White 19 %
Black 13 %
Red 5 %

The rest of the colors are split in smaller percentages below red. Now, what does this mean? Are you more likely to get a speeding ticket in a yellow car as opposed to a silver car? We don't know. The only way to tell would be to understand the overall distribution of car colors by the America public in a given area and relate it to citations issued that noted car color at the time. But the notion that red and yellow cars attract more attention and get more tickets is only anecdotal. There is no statistical proof of this.

 

yeh, in texas. Different ratio nation wide.

i know the insurance rate is higher on red, yellow and black, etc.

 

Actually, through 2000, white was the most popular color of new vehicle sold throughout the USA, according to figures from DuPont. It was passed in 2001 by silver.

Take a look in a mall parking lot one day and count a 100 cars randomly. White and silver will be the predominate colors, no matter what part of the USA you are from.

If you check with the big auto insurance companies (All State, State Farm, GEICO, etc,) you'll see that car color doesn't figure into their quotes. Now, there may be some small insurance companies that ask what color your car is and charge differently, but the overwhelming majority of car insurers do not factor a car's color in their rates.

 

man... i was pulled over infront of Safeway (supermarket)
the officer even told me that 'i'd been watching you for weeks' wtf?
anyway, fight for your case by any means pal.
gd luck.

 

Actually, when I was buying my 2004 RS, I asked my insurance company which would be cheaper to insure: red or white. They replied with "What difference does the car's color make? It still has the same safety features and the same horsepower, right?"

I had always heard that red was more expensive to insure....but I guess they proved me wrong. It must just be an old urban legend.