Brembo brakes and 235mm tires?
I didn't say mitsu can make brakes cheaper.
Just so you know there are other brake manufacturers.
Brembo has a rep for being costly.
I mentioned handling originally.
I also mentioned rotor size as well.
I understand physics but thanks for the lesson.
Just so you know there are other brake manufacturers.
Brembo has a rep for being costly.
I mentioned handling originally.
I also mentioned rotor size as well.
I understand physics but thanks for the lesson.
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Their reputation for being more expensive according to who? An end user who would be buying Brembo brakes from a parts supply house to modify his car? A manufacturer who is buying parts in bulk to put on their cars from the factory. These are two very different points of view.
So what other (cheaper) brands of aftermarket brakes do you think Mitsu should have/ could have included on the Evo?
When considering what companies you are going to post remember these things:
1. The brakes are going on a car that will be sold around the world. So make sure the brake companies you choose have parts that are legal for use on a street vehicle and pass all safety requirements for the places Evo's are sold. Brembo's are.
2. The parts have to be proven as an improvement over stock choices. Brembo's are.
3. They have to be "approved" for competition use and ok'ed by racing sanctioning bodies all around the world. Brembo's are.
4. The company you mention has to be known worldwide, have distribution and parts availability worldwide also. Brembo's are.
So now how many companies are left? Not many....
SC~ whos just curious...
So what other (cheaper) brands of aftermarket brakes do you think Mitsu should have/ could have included on the Evo?
When considering what companies you are going to post remember these things:
1. The brakes are going on a car that will be sold around the world. So make sure the brake companies you choose have parts that are legal for use on a street vehicle and pass all safety requirements for the places Evo's are sold. Brembo's are.
2. The parts have to be proven as an improvement over stock choices. Brembo's are.
3. They have to be "approved" for competition use and ok'ed by racing sanctioning bodies all around the world. Brembo's are.
4. The company you mention has to be known worldwide, have distribution and parts availability worldwide also. Brembo's are.
So now how many companies are left? Not many....
SC~ whos just curious...
Most of you seem to be missing my point.
Read everything I wrote.
If you grab little pieces of what I have said and take them out of context then they may not seem to make sense.
I lOVE BREMBO BRAKES!
I guess I have poor communication skills.
Read everything I wrote.
If you grab little pieces of what I have said and take them out of context then they may not seem to make sense.
I lOVE BREMBO BRAKES!
I guess I have poor communication skills.
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Re: Brembo brakes and 235mm tires?
Perhaps we are missing your point. You certainly sound like you are complaining. And since I don;t want to seen like I'm taking you out of context....here is the blow by blow. huhu
Correct...
If Mitsubishi is attempting to keep the car cheap, why does
it have $$Brembo$$?
Because it is one of the most recognizable parts of the Evo's identity. The recent iterations of the Evo have Brembos. Without Brembos, many more people would be complaining that this car is watered down.
With those brakes I hope 300mm tires
will fit in those fenders!!!
Why? So you could add heavier tire and wheel combos that would sacrifice acceleration for a perceived increase in grip??
The mass of those brakes will hinder
performance (acceleration and handling).
We have already come to the conclusion that you are only half correct here. If they are in fact heavier than another manufacturers brakes, which you do not know for sure, it will only affect handling....not acceleration since it isn't part of the rotating mass.
Most cars brakes can outperform the tires. That is not the point to Brembos. They are very resistant to heat fade
Not installing back seats would create an insurance nightmare. If there are doors, there need to be seats. Cars with no back seats are considered "sports cars" and not "sedans" to insurance companies. Sports cars are put into a higher price category.
It depends on what you mean by "race". If you autocross and you want to remain in a stock category, there is very little you can modify and still remain in class. If you mean the occasional Track event lap day, all you will need to do is increase your maintenance intervals. You will be eating through pads, fluids, and rotors quickly amongst other consumables. If you are going to go full out "race" with the Evo, you will also have to add a cage and other safety devices.
Likely you were not driving to the level you could have been. Or you had other limiting factors such as poor grip. Or your specific car is particularly resistant to brake fade. What kind of car btw? I've had my Type R out at track days and have had no problems with brake fade either....other drivers driving the same car as me did have brake fade problems.
I have no idea. But in all reality, the Evo has been for sale for over 10 years now in Japan. And they have real weather in Japan. So if the brakes were a maintenance nightmare, I think we would have heard about it by now.
Opinions are like 455holes, everyone has got one....and not many care to see anyone elses.
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I can't wait for the responses to this observation.
The Evo has large Brembo brakes with 235mm wide tires.
I can't wait for the responses to this observation.
The Evo has large Brembo brakes with 235mm wide tires.
If Mitsubishi is attempting to keep the car cheap, why does
it have $$Brembo$$?
With those brakes I hope 300mm tires
will fit in those fenders!!!
The mass of those brakes will hinder
performance (acceleration and handling).
They are supposed
to stop the car faster but with 235mm tires you can only
produce so much friction to the road.
to stop the car faster but with 235mm tires you can only
produce so much friction to the road.
If it truly is "a race car for the road for less than $30,000" Then save money by not
installing back seats(or something).
installing back seats(or something).
If buyers are going to race this car they will still have to invest more money. Why not brakes? They will have to change pads and fluid at least.
I have driven hard at driving schools (not racing) in heavier cars with 235mm tires and my stock brakes held up fine.
Does anyone know if these brakes have rubber dust boots on them? It could be a maintanance nightmare to drive it in nasty weather.
imho Brembo=hype
Can't wait to get executed by you guys
Last edited by Secret Chimp; Feb 5, 2003 at 04:07 PM.
You get people *****ing and moaning about no ACD/AYC and now you want to get rid of the Brembos. Maybe they should get rid of the seats and put in cardboard boxes for weight loss and remove the AWD drivetrain to save weight and just stick with FWD. Oh yeah, those damn turbos are laggy and are nothing but dead weight, get rid of it.
Oh wait, I'm starting to describe a Civic, all we need is an unpainted body kit and we're set.
***** about a sunroof, not Brembos.
Oh wait, I'm starting to describe a Civic, all we need is an unpainted body kit and we're set.
***** about a sunroof, not Brembos.
Hey, if you dont like the brembos get the new neon srt. You've still got a potent turbo engine and smaller blank factory brakes. You'll save yourself $10,000.
I'll trust Brembo on brakes over mitsubishi without a hitch. Their whole business is brakes and they know what they're doing. The company clearly has a history of success. I consider myself lucky for being able to get a car with Brembo brakes standard or even as an option.
And for whoever said that factory brakes can match or out do brembos (or any aftermarket brakes for that matter) doesnt have his head on straight. These are 4 PISTON brakes people. What other cars that size have 4 piston FACTORY brakes? The fact that they are brembo's makes it even better! Brembo makes a science of making brakes. You could probably assume that they took unsprung weight into account. If it were up to Mitsubishi to design brakes, they would find the most cost effective way to design them. (ie. comparing the 2 piton Baer brake kit for the 2G eclipse to the 2 piston factory system - the Baer outperforms the factory ones by leaps and bounds.....same surface area and caliper size). Number of pistons isnt everything. It's how effeciently and accurate the design is...and i trust brembo.
When i'm going 155MPH at the track, i'm going to feel a lot safer knowing my $30K car is fortified with Brembo brakes. Mitsubishi is no nonsense this time....they know what they're doing. A truly well rounded performance machine.
Rob
I'll trust Brembo on brakes over mitsubishi without a hitch. Their whole business is brakes and they know what they're doing. The company clearly has a history of success. I consider myself lucky for being able to get a car with Brembo brakes standard or even as an option.
And for whoever said that factory brakes can match or out do brembos (or any aftermarket brakes for that matter) doesnt have his head on straight. These are 4 PISTON brakes people. What other cars that size have 4 piston FACTORY brakes? The fact that they are brembo's makes it even better! Brembo makes a science of making brakes. You could probably assume that they took unsprung weight into account. If it were up to Mitsubishi to design brakes, they would find the most cost effective way to design them. (ie. comparing the 2 piton Baer brake kit for the 2G eclipse to the 2 piston factory system - the Baer outperforms the factory ones by leaps and bounds.....same surface area and caliper size). Number of pistons isnt everything. It's how effeciently and accurate the design is...and i trust brembo.
When i'm going 155MPH at the track, i'm going to feel a lot safer knowing my $30K car is fortified with Brembo brakes. Mitsubishi is no nonsense this time....they know what they're doing. A truly well rounded performance machine.
Rob
Well I have never seen brakes the size of the EVO's on a car of that size.. Maybe a viper's or vette's might be the same, but look at the car! My GSX's brakes are pretty good, but my WRX's bakes suck major ***.... I'm sure that I'll be more than happy with these Brembo's... They're huuge!!
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