Mitsu dealer situation
I think it's fair to say that most of us aren't willing to pay much, if any, over msrp. My dealer has a $500 "addendum" on all their cars, since they are the only one around. I'm #1 on the list for the only EVO they're getting. I already told the salesman I don't intend on paying over. Financing is taken care of, so they don't have that leverage on me. I can get an 03 WRX at cost and add whatever aftermarket parts I want, and it will be included in the financing. So now I'm having 2nd thoughts about the EVO. Decisions, decisions!
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Dude, why the hell do you care? I will state my opinion as I please. The funny part is that I originally started this because of the 
commercial regarding the rebate, since I thought they only applied those towards the price of the car and never actually gave the money to you. Especially on a car you haven't spent a dime on and will not spend a dime on for a whole year. I thought it was funny that the same manufacturer's dealers were pulling this BS on the EVO. In fact, the commercial says that their deal is good on all Mitsubishis. So I am sure someone could make a legal case regarding the EVO for false advertising. But now it's interesting to see people like you who have some weird loyalty to dealerships trying to screw all of us make a point that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
commercial regarding the rebate, since I thought they only applied those towards the price of the car and never actually gave the money to you. Especially on a car you haven't spent a dime on and will not spend a dime on for a whole year. I thought it was funny that the same manufacturer's dealers were pulling this BS on the EVO. In fact, the commercial says that their deal is good on all Mitsubishis. So I am sure someone could make a legal case regarding the EVO for false advertising. But now it's interesting to see people like you who have some weird loyalty to dealerships trying to screw all of us make a point that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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I was also thinking on a WRX and adding a 50 shot of NOS to even the odds with the EVO lol but someone mentioned here something that made me think twice about it. The WRX is going to be changing for the 2004 to what I think is a better looking front and rear end so im going to have to wait anyways.
I know the WRX is getting a facelift, but I'm looking to get the car this month. I'm in the military and don't want to wait because of everything going on right now. I like the 03 WRX just fine.
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Originally posted by sanjaya1
Dude, why the hell do you care? I will state my opinion as I please. The funny part is that I originally started this because of the commercial regarding the rebate, since I thought they only applied those towards the price of the car and never actually gave the money to you. Especially on a car you haven't spent a dime on and will not spend a dime on for a whole year. I thought it was funny that the same manufacturer's dealers were pulling this BS on the EVO. In fact, the commercial says that their deal is good on all Mitsubishis. So I am sure someone could make a legal case regarding the EVO for false advertising. But now it's interesting to see people like you who have some weird loyalty to dealerships trying to screw all of us make a point that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Dude, why the hell do you care? I will state my opinion as I please. The funny part is that I originally started this because of the
commercial regarding the rebate, since I thought they only applied those towards the price of the car and never actually gave the money to you. Especially on a car you haven't spent a dime on and will not spend a dime on for a whole year. I thought it was funny that the same manufacturer's dealers were pulling this BS on the EVO. In fact, the commercial says that their deal is good on all Mitsubishis. So I am sure someone could make a legal case regarding the EVO for false advertising. But now it's interesting to see people like you who have some weird loyalty to dealerships trying to screw all of us make a point that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
As for false advertising, you should listen to the disclaimers
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Well, I have never gotten a rebate on a car. My wife does since she likes to buy American. I have never paid over MSRP, and sometimes have bought for less than MSRP. But that is my right as the consumer. I believe that the consumer is right most of the time. A dealer can ask for whatever they want, but the customer has the final say. We have covered all this a hundred times. In the end, just because mark ups are legal, it doesn't make it right. The more I think about it, the more pissed off I am at . They go to all this trouble to hype the EVO up and make it sound like they care about the enthusiasts who know about it by pricing it for under $30K, but then completely looks the other way when it's time to step up to the plate. For almost any other product, brand loyalty is something the company aspires to. But for some reason, that doesn't apply to car manufacturers or at least most of them. Maybe you can explain to me why so many dealers are calling me daily since Monday to just let me know they have the EVO in, when I have already been to those dealers and have made a point to tell them to only call me when they are ready to sell at MSRP?
. They go to all this trouble to hype the EVO up and make it sound like they care about the enthusiasts who know about it by pricing it for under $30K, but then completely looks the other way when it's time to step up to the plate. For almost any other product, brand loyalty is something the company aspires to. But for some reason, that doesn't apply to car manufacturers or at least most of them. Maybe you can explain to me why so many dealers are calling me daily since Monday to just let me know they have the EVO in, when I have already been to those dealers and have made a point to tell them to only call me when they are ready to sell at MSRP?
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As far as I'm concerned, I got the best possible deal on my ES because I got the car with the option package for $14000. That's a lot less than MSRP. I won't pay MSRP for a car. Some people will. It's their money.
I'll walk away.
I'll walk away.
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Originally posted by Rasputin
As far as I'm concerned, I got the best possible deal on my ES because I got the car with the option package for $14000. That's a lot less than MSRP. I won't pay MSRP for a car. Some people will. It's their money.
I'll walk away.
As far as I'm concerned, I got the best possible deal on my ES because I got the car with the option package for $14000. That's a lot less than MSRP. I won't pay MSRP for a car. Some people will. It's their money.
I'll walk away.
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Some of you have mentioned Subaru, and it made me think how funny it is that Subaru is plastering TV screens with WRX commercials right now, so dealers can unload inventory and get ready for the facelifted WRX and STi.
This is a very good time to buy a WRX. If you don't mind the bug-eye look, you can probably make a really good deal.
This is a very good time to buy a WRX. If you don't mind the bug-eye look, you can probably make a really good deal.
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Re: Re: Mitsu dealer situation
I normally wouldn't do this, but I have to respond:
Mark, you're way off base here.
You might be correct in the California or New York markets. But outside of that... just speaking locally, I can go get any and all of the cars you mentioned at or below MSRP. I can walk in to the local Honda dealership, sign up for their next available S2000, and get it at MSRP, if not a little below.
I can walk into any of the Nissan dealerships here, all of which have multiple 350Z's sitting on their lots, and get one for BELOW MSRP. Maybe not much, but below.
I can walk in to the local BMW dealership, and take delivery of a M3 (which I've done), M5, or Z8. They sell all their cars at MSRP, no matter what. I helped them sell their last Z8 (I referred over the buyer) for $2000 below MSRP.
Some dealerships believe that selling for a premium is bad business practice. The local BMW dealership is a great example - they won't sell above MSRP no matter what. No matter how popular the car. When dealers on the coasts were gouging $5k - $10k or more on the e46 M3, my local dealer (among numerous other ethical dealerships) were selling at MSRP.
Some dealerships believe that its more important to establish a long term relationship with a buyer, and provide an equitable transaction where everyone wins. With a price gouging mark up, the dealer and the sales guy wins, but the customer looses. And 9 times out of 10, that customer is going to be so disastisfied - especially given the buyers remorse they're going to experience once the market corrects (as it always does) and the cars are available without the premiums.
I've said it before, and I've said it again. There is no reason to pay much over MSRP for this car. You can buy a one-way plane ticket to numerous dealerships (especially in the midwest) and take delivery of a car for MSRP or possibly even less. And you can build a buying relationship with a dealership that values your business (present and future) and not just the dollars they're getting from you today.
I've facilitated two out-of-town purchases already. I'll continue to do so. I'm most certainly a buyer - my deposit is in, my car will arrive shortly.
People, its up to you. There are cars available at MSRP... and unless the markup you are facing is $100-$250, you can do much better elsewhere... find a car in the midwest at a reputable dealer and save your cash.
Mark, I think I understand your defensivenss. People have been attacking your chosen profession and that type of personal attack is never easy to take. But rest assured - there are some of us who believe price gouging on a high-demand car is bad business. Its a free market and both sellers and consumers are (generally) free to do what they wish... but I can guarantee you that I would never buy a car, including this car, from a dealer that wanted to charge over MSRP. If something turned around with my dealer (which it wouldn't) and they wanted an extra $500 from me on this car (which they won't), I'd walk right away from the sale.
Mark, we appreciate your participation on this forum. Don't give up on us. Please continue to participate. But please understand the outrage that a lot of people feel. A lot of younger buyers are stretching to buy this car (which they probably shouldn't be buying) and they're now being faced with a ridiculous markup from unscrupulous dealers - most people feel like the dealers are just trying to f**k them. And as far as I'm concerned, "if you're going to f**k me, first you've got to kiss me".
Originally posted by Mark F
The selling price of a vehicle is largely irrelevent to incentives. Selling cars for over MSRP is as old as the car business itself. There's nothing new here. Walk into a Honda store and try to get a S2000, Pilot, Odyssey, that new square ****box thing or in some cases even a CRV at MSRP. Not gonna happen. And those are mass-produced vehicles which in most cases have been around for a while. The Nissan 350Z is being produced in numbers 4-6 times greater than the Evo yet 6 months after its launch still commands a premium. The G35 coupe you mention has not been immune to this either - in spite of the rumors you seem to believe. Whether a car sells for well below MSRP because the market is slow, or whether a car sells for at or over MSRP because the market is hot on that particular product, its the same forces at work. Nobody complains about the former though. The situation at work with the Evolution is hardly unusual, nor is it even at all uncommon.
So to everyone, quit your f---ing whining and poop or get off the pot. If its worth it to you then pay and move on, if not, then don't. I think we've beat this subject to death and mutilated the corpse besides.
The selling price of a vehicle is largely irrelevent to incentives. Selling cars for over MSRP is as old as the car business itself. There's nothing new here. Walk into a Honda store and try to get a S2000, Pilot, Odyssey, that new square ****box thing or in some cases even a CRV at MSRP. Not gonna happen. And those are mass-produced vehicles which in most cases have been around for a while. The Nissan 350Z is being produced in numbers 4-6 times greater than the Evo yet 6 months after its launch still commands a premium. The G35 coupe you mention has not been immune to this either - in spite of the rumors you seem to believe. Whether a car sells for well below MSRP because the market is slow, or whether a car sells for at or over MSRP because the market is hot on that particular product, its the same forces at work. Nobody complains about the former though. The situation at work with the Evolution is hardly unusual, nor is it even at all uncommon.
So to everyone, quit your f---ing whining and poop or get off the pot. If its worth it to you then pay and move on, if not, then don't. I think we've beat this subject to death and mutilated the corpse besides.
You might be correct in the California or New York markets. But outside of that... just speaking locally, I can go get any and all of the cars you mentioned at or below MSRP. I can walk in to the local Honda dealership, sign up for their next available S2000, and get it at MSRP, if not a little below.
I can walk into any of the Nissan dealerships here, all of which have multiple 350Z's sitting on their lots, and get one for BELOW MSRP. Maybe not much, but below.
I can walk in to the local BMW dealership, and take delivery of a M3 (which I've done), M5, or Z8. They sell all their cars at MSRP, no matter what. I helped them sell their last Z8 (I referred over the buyer) for $2000 below MSRP.
Some dealerships believe that selling for a premium is bad business practice. The local BMW dealership is a great example - they won't sell above MSRP no matter what. No matter how popular the car. When dealers on the coasts were gouging $5k - $10k or more on the e46 M3, my local dealer (among numerous other ethical dealerships) were selling at MSRP.
Some dealerships believe that its more important to establish a long term relationship with a buyer, and provide an equitable transaction where everyone wins. With a price gouging mark up, the dealer and the sales guy wins, but the customer looses. And 9 times out of 10, that customer is going to be so disastisfied - especially given the buyers remorse they're going to experience once the market corrects (as it always does) and the cars are available without the premiums.
I've said it before, and I've said it again. There is no reason to pay much over MSRP for this car. You can buy a one-way plane ticket to numerous dealerships (especially in the midwest) and take delivery of a car for MSRP or possibly even less. And you can build a buying relationship with a dealership that values your business (present and future) and not just the dollars they're getting from you today.
I've facilitated two out-of-town purchases already. I'll continue to do so. I'm most certainly a buyer - my deposit is in, my car will arrive shortly.
People, its up to you. There are cars available at MSRP... and unless the markup you are facing is $100-$250, you can do much better elsewhere... find a car in the midwest at a reputable dealer and save your cash.
Mark, I think I understand your defensivenss. People have been attacking your chosen profession and that type of personal attack is never easy to take. But rest assured - there are some of us who believe price gouging on a high-demand car is bad business. Its a free market and both sellers and consumers are (generally) free to do what they wish... but I can guarantee you that I would never buy a car, including this car, from a dealer that wanted to charge over MSRP. If something turned around with my dealer (which it wouldn't) and they wanted an extra $500 from me on this car (which they won't), I'd walk right away from the sale.
Mark, we appreciate your participation on this forum. Don't give up on us. Please continue to participate. But please understand the outrage that a lot of people feel. A lot of younger buyers are stretching to buy this car (which they probably shouldn't be buying) and they're now being faced with a ridiculous markup from unscrupulous dealers - most people feel like the dealers are just trying to f**k them. And as far as I'm concerned, "if you're going to f**k me, first you've got to kiss me".
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Originally posted by Guack007
that would be badass. Having the dealerships apologize would be pretty sweet too.
that would be badass. Having the dealerships apologize would be pretty sweet too.
Wounderful reply Jedi!!!!!!! 
I agree totally. I'm one of those young buyers. I dont want to spend more than 33K out the door. I dont have money to dispose of just to make a dealer happy. Looks like i'll have to wait.
I agree totally. I'm one of those young buyers. I dont want to spend more than 33K out the door. I dont have money to dispose of just to make a dealer happy. Looks like i'll have to wait.
Jedi - way to go - !!!
If you want msrp on the east coast - Greenwich Mistubishi is the way to go ! Call Chuck at 203-622-0606 - - they have several available at msrp - no add ons
If you want msrp on the east coast - Greenwich Mistubishi is the way to go ! Call Chuck at 203-622-0606 - - they have several available at msrp - no add ons
FYI for Socal, after heavy research ended up at National City,San Diego(Giovani) for $2,500 over, San Bernardino said they would do the same(Effren).
Car drives like my SS prepped RX-7 R2, with more understeer,but harderdrive out of a corner
Red A00
Hope this info helps.
Car drives like my SS prepped RX-7 R2, with more understeer,but harderdrive out of a corner
Red A00
Hope this info helps.
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