Worthy rivals for stock Evo?
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one of my good friends has a WS6 6-speed, and this thing is bad!!!
And yes he can drive!
He would not race me from a dig, b/c he keeped telling me as long as I had a decent launch i should beat him,
so on a closed cours we raced from a roll.
I have a stock 03 evo, and knew that he had the advantage, but when we took off, he jumped me a little but my nose of my car was at the back end of his door.
I thought he would have blown my doors off, but it was pretty dang close! from a dig I am prett sure I would get him, as long as he doesn't put drag radials or slicks on it
And yes he can drive!
He would not race me from a dig, b/c he keeped telling me as long as I had a decent launch i should beat him,
so on a closed cours we raced from a roll.
I have a stock 03 evo, and knew that he had the advantage, but when we took off, he jumped me a little but my nose of my car was at the back end of his door.
I thought he would have blown my doors off, but it was pretty dang close! from a dig I am prett sure I would get him, as long as he doesn't put drag radials or slicks on it
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Originally Posted by jasburbak
I guess these kind of threads have been talked all over individually, but what are the stock Evo's worthy rivals?
this kid bet me $100 ( i know its nothing, but a free turbo timer in the end
that his stock '00 Mustang GT would smoke me...the thing is, he's never even heard of an Evo..he said there is no way a 4 cylinder car can beat him..
although he doensnt know hes in for a suprise, i was questioning who else can i take advantage of?
this kid bet me $100 ( i know its nothing, but a free turbo timer in the end
that his stock '00 Mustang GT would smoke me...the thing is, he's never even heard of an Evo..he said there is no way a 4 cylinder car can beat him..although he doensnt know hes in for a suprise, i was questioning who else can i take advantage of?
Off the dig, he's yours.
And yes, please be responsible and take it to the track.
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Ok, but once our turbo engages (whether after a dig or rolling) wouldnt that give us the advantage? I mean i just read this article:
So what is the power surge we experience when this happens, make a 276hp car feel double its hp, torque?
We’ve all heard the wisdom that there’s no substitute for cubic inches, but cubic inches of what? Is it cubic inches of engine that count, or cubic inches of air in the combustion chamber? It’s obviously the latter. So consider this, 15 psi of boost effectively doubles the size of an engine. That means 15 psi of boost will make a 350-cubic-inch performance engine seem like a 700-cubic-inch performance engine!
Actually, this picture isn’t accurate. If you understand engines, you’ll immediately realize that 15-psi boost more than doubles the performance an engine. It does this for two reasons: first, the internal friction of the engine remains largely the same regardless of boost, so the extra power from turbocharging is almost totally available to power the vehicle; and second, the 15 psi of boost in the induction system actually helps push the pistons down on the intake stroke whereas the intake stroke created a pumping loss (negative torque) when the engine was normally aspirated.
Actually, this picture isn’t accurate. If you understand engines, you’ll immediately realize that 15-psi boost more than doubles the performance an engine. It does this for two reasons: first, the internal friction of the engine remains largely the same regardless of boost, so the extra power from turbocharging is almost totally available to power the vehicle; and second, the 15 psi of boost in the induction system actually helps push the pistons down on the intake stroke whereas the intake stroke created a pumping loss (negative torque) when the engine was normally aspirated.
So what is the power surge we experience when this happens, make a 276hp car feel double its hp, torque?
Originally Posted by jasburbak
Ok, but once our turbo engages (whether after a dig or rolling) wouldnt that give us the advantage? I mean i just read this article:
Actually, this picture isn’t accurate. If you understand engines, you’ll immediately realize that 15-psi boost more than doubles the performance an engine. It does this for two reasons: first, the internal friction of the engine remains largely the same regardless of boost, so the extra power from turbocharging is almost totally available to power the vehicle; and second, the 15 psi of boost in the induction system actually helps push the pistons down on the intake stroke whereas the intake stroke created a pumping loss (negative torque) when the engine was normally aspirated.
So what is the power surge we experience when this happens, make a 276hp car feel double its hp, torque?
We’ve all heard the wisdom that there’s no substitute for cubic inches, but cubic inches of what? Is it cubic inches of engine that count, or cubic inches of air in the combustion chamber? It’s obviously the latter. So consider this, 15 psi of boost effectively doubles the size of an engine. That means 15 psi of boost will make a 350-cubic-inch performance engine seem like a 700-cubic-inch performance engine!
Actually, this picture isn’t accurate. If you understand engines, you’ll immediately realize that 15-psi boost more than doubles the performance an engine. It does this for two reasons: first, the internal friction of the engine remains largely the same regardless of boost, so the extra power from turbocharging is almost totally available to power the vehicle; and second, the 15 psi of boost in the induction system actually helps push the pistons down on the intake stroke whereas the intake stroke created a pumping loss (negative torque) when the engine was normally aspirated.
So what is the power surge we experience when this happens, make a 276hp car feel double its hp, torque?
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Well if you know so well, then please do care to explain what the article is trying to say. Im NOT saying that when the turbo kicks in your car goes from 276 to 500+ hp, but the article states that a 350 ci engine acts like a 700ci...
trust me, i know how to drive..this is my first turbocharged car so its quite natural for me to not understand the entire mechanical concepts behind it (i've had it for a month now) but that still doesnt mean i dont know proper launch and shifting.. jeez..
trust me, i know how to drive..this is my first turbocharged car so its quite natural for me to not understand the entire mechanical concepts behind it (i've had it for a month now) but that still doesnt mean i dont know proper launch and shifting.. jeez..
Last edited by jasburbak; Oct 19, 2005 at 07:24 PM.
Originally Posted by jasburbak
Ok, but once our turbo engages (whether after a dig or rolling) wouldnt that give us the advantage? I mean i just read this article:
So what is the power surge we experience when this happens, make a 276hp car feel double its hp, torque?
We’ve all heard the wisdom that there’s no substitute for cubic inches, but cubic inches of what? Is it cubic inches of engine that count, or cubic inches of air in the combustion chamber? It’s obviously the latter. So consider this, 15 psi of boost effectively doubles the size of an engine. That means 15 psi of boost will make a 350-cubic-inch performance engine seem like a 700-cubic-inch performance engine!
Actually, this picture isn’t accurate. If you understand engines, you’ll immediately realize that 15-psi boost more than doubles the performance an engine. It does this for two reasons: first, the internal friction of the engine remains largely the same regardless of boost, so the extra power from turbocharging is almost totally available to power the vehicle; and second, the 15 psi of boost in the induction system actually helps push the pistons down on the intake stroke whereas the intake stroke created a pumping loss (negative torque) when the engine was normally aspirated.
Actually, this picture isn’t accurate. If you understand engines, you’ll immediately realize that 15-psi boost more than doubles the performance an engine. It does this for two reasons: first, the internal friction of the engine remains largely the same regardless of boost, so the extra power from turbocharging is almost totally available to power the vehicle; and second, the 15 psi of boost in the induction system actually helps push the pistons down on the intake stroke whereas the intake stroke created a pumping loss (negative torque) when the engine was normally aspirated.
So what is the power surge we experience when this happens, make a 276hp car feel double its hp, torque?
edit: of course there's a whole crapload of engineering and whatnot that'd go with this, but i'm just trying to describe the very basic ideas
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Stock for Stock aren't baseline GT-R34's about the same as an Evo of the same life span? Or am I wrong to think that? BTW I mean 0-60 0-100 1/4 wise.
These are some specs I found
99 skyline r34 gtr
1/4 mile: 13.7
0-60: 5.2
0-100: 13.7
top speed: 155.0 mph
These are some specs I found
99 skyline r34 gtr
1/4 mile: 13.7
0-60: 5.2
0-100: 13.7
top speed: 155.0 mph
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Originally Posted by bfdd
Stock for Stock aren't baseline GT-R34's about the same as an Evo of the same life span? Or am I wrong to think that? BTW I mean 0-60 0-100 1/4 wise.
These are some specs I found
99 skyline r34 gtr
1/4 mile: 13.7
0-60: 5.2
0-100: 13.7
top speed: 155.0 mph
These are some specs I found
99 skyline r34 gtr
1/4 mile: 13.7
0-60: 5.2
0-100: 13.7
top speed: 155.0 mph
The same probably holds true for the Evo, because I believe they have a 4.xx gear ratio.Start modding, and it's anyone's game, however, in the end, the cars with the displacement are the ones that are going to win. "There's no replacement for displacement," once it comes down to mod for mod.
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Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
As for being stock, Skylines and Supras alike are overrated. Both, Evolutions and STis are faster than both of them in the 1/4 mile. In a top speed run, I can't say, because I've never had my STi over 110 mph, but with 3.91 gears, I believe they are, I think it's doubtful that an STi will run over a 145 mph top speed. The power is there, but it's going to run out of gearing. The same probably holds true for the Evo, because I believe they have a 4.xx gear ratio.
Start modding, and it's anyone's game, however, in the end, the cars with the displacement are the ones that are going to win. "There's no replacement for displacement," once it comes down to mod for mod.
The same probably holds true for the Evo, because I believe they have a 4.xx gear ratio.Start modding, and it's anyone's game, however, in the end, the cars with the displacement are the ones that are going to win. "There's no replacement for displacement," once it comes down to mod for mod.
As for traction control in GM LS1's (Camaro SS and Trans Am WS6), they mostly apply brake not retard timing. I have a WS6 as well with the optional high performance factory 3.23 gears and I rarely use the traction control, but it is there if needed. With worn factory Eagle F1's, I must say it is hard to get traction even at 1500 rpm's taking off with the tire having about 50% tread left. I should run some ADVAN Neova's for all around traction. With 1.6 to 1.8 60ft times, stock my car is a launch beast and easily runs in high 12's(with tires that are not worn). With my tires like they are, the Evo would kill me at this point in time from a dig, new tires and game over(stock for stock in a launch).
All in all, it is still a drivers game when it comes down to it. It's really a kinda pointless argument about what car can outlaunch another. There are too many variables involved and no matter any outcome, someone will have some sort of excuse valid or not. People will argue this until they are blue in the face. Just enjoy all of these machines while we can all still afford the gasoline to drive them.
Last edited by Dayton_EVO; Oct 19, 2005 at 09:41 PM.