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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
hahahhahahhahhaha, you don't know what your talking about.

Z06 curb weight: 3130 lbs

3rd gen rx7 curb weight: 2826 lbs

s13 curb weight: 2699 lbs

The z06 is an overweight pig. There is a difference bettween "handles" versus "capability of being handled", and capability of the handler. Don't get me wrong, the Z06 is a beast of a car, but there is nothing special about it. Its powerful, and has rear wheel drive. Ummmm...there are like so many other rwd cars out there that are lighter and can be made to be just powerful with little financial effort. The EVO is also an overweight pig but at least it doesn't cost 70 grand.
Yes, but you can still spend 70k on a fq400 evo or a suped up DSM, but you will never buy the legacy or the status, and for all the DSM and EVO owners out there, these super stock cars will never be as reliable.

The EVO is awesome, but it will never be a 'vette. Give props where it is due.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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It's like the episode of Top Gear when the pitted an Evo against a Lamborghini on a course. Granted the Evo used was European model FQ400(little morehorsepower), but it was still cool. They put a professional racer in a Lamborghini Gallardo(AWD) and one of the show hosts in the Evo. They started off with the Lambo in front with the goal of seeing if it could pull away from the Evo on the road course. It couldn't, the Evo was right on it all the way, and the Lambo eventually spun out when the driver began to push it harder in attempt to loose the Evo.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
The point I'm trying to make is this:

You can say its not fair to compare other cars that are modified...wait a second why is it not fair? The Z06 costs 70k. My point is this:

YOU CAN BUILD A CAR FOR $20,000.00 THAT WILL OUT-POWER AND OUT-HANDLE THE Z06.

Maybe this is a obvious point to some, but apparently not to many. I have to admit however, stock for stock in terms of modern cars the Z06 has most other sports cars beat, if you are willing to shell up 70 grand for a car that will not be able to out perform a modified $20,000.00 car.
You have such a flawed way to look at data and make valid comparisons it borderlines on juvenile. Why not just say go buy a Ariel Atom and turbocharge it and beat everything then

1. The current Z06 has the fastest production car laptime at Nurburgring for anything under 400K....and it was running STOCK tires! EVO's are 30+ seconds off of that time.

2. You bring up FD's a great autox car, right? They are and they owned their class until the C5 came out. They get smoked all day by C5's and the Zo6 will spank the C5's.

3. Go look at OnelapofAmerica results for the last 5 years. Where are all of the S13, S14, Fd's, etc they handle so great why don't more people run them? The only japanese import to stand a chance so far is the OVERWEIGHT supra!! Go look for yourself. Where was the EVO the last 2 years? Not even close to the top C5's thats where and we're talking about the Z06 how much faster will they be?

4. You use Import Tuner and Turbo magazine logic 2600lbs+450hp= should spank a Z06, but it doesn't!! Go look at real tracks VIR, Willowsprings, TMS and check out what FD's, S13's run nothing, crap, compared to Porsche 911's, Vipers, and Vettes. Keep on believing you're flawed TOONER way of thought it only makes the real import enthusiasts look bad!!

You bring up the money argument which is the ultimate ricer excuse anyway . Like I said go buy a Ariel Atom and turbocharge throw on some tires and nothing is going to come close to that. So, does that mean that Ariel Atom's are better than all Japanes, European, and Domestic Sports cars? Using you're way of thinking YES IT IS

**On a side note FD's are great track cars the limiting factor has always been reliability. The HP needed to compete in the higher levels of competition has always been the achilles heel of the FD. They are great cars, but much over 350rwhp and it becomes real touchy from a reliability standpoint running on the longer tracks or prolonged track times**

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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don't ariel atoms use the k20a?
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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Ariel Atom uses a 220bhp Honda 2.0 you don't even have to build it just add a 75 shot, supercharger, or turbo...good luck fitting it. It pulls over 1.0g, it goes 0-100mph in 6.8 seconds STOCK 0-100-0 in 10.8 seconds faster than any sports car made.

I was just making a point to TOONER BOY!
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 01:45 PM
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Off the web site.. Best quote ever. "Corvette Z06
Fast, yes. Fun, sure. But if you're considering the Z06 -- and it's not about the money -- might we also suggest the Ferrari F430, Dodge Viper SRT10, Porsche Carrera S, and Mitsubishi Evo IX MR. Now which would you choose?"
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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Sonicnofadz,

Give me you're input on these numbers they are non biased track results from Onelapofamerica. Road racing comes down to driver without a doubt, but when you get into the top 10 or so car all are good drivers still a critical variable though.

Some things to think about. The vette that Popp co-drove is standard fair it's been a long time, but the mods are on corvetteforum.com and Z06vette.com. Let's compare his times to AMS's awesome EVO that has the best of the best and was running race gas, but only 26psi.

1. Here the EVO is 10 seconds behind:
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo...=2005&res=EV02

2. Here the EVO is 20 seconds behind:
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo...=2005&res=EV03

3.Here the EVO is 20 seconds behind:
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo...=2005&res=EV04

etc etc

4. Wet skidpad Vette one again by a huge margin.
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo...=2005&res=EV01

5. Dry skidpad Vette one again.
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo...=2005&res=EV20

I'm not going to post anymore because it looks bad. The AMS evo had some mechanical problems and would have had a better showing if the gremlins didn't appear. This year I'll be rooting for EVO's all the way!! The comments you make though are simple false. Remember too these times are C5 with bolt ons and coilovers NO FORCED INDUCTION NO STROKER MOTOR vs a EVO with 30K in it....what would a C6 Z06 do?? Hopefully we will know this year or next!!

EVO's rule!!

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
hahahhahahhahhaha, you don't know what your talking about.

Z06 curb weight: 3130 lbs

3rd gen rx7 curb weight: 2826 lbs

s13 curb weight: 2699 lbs

The z06 is an overweight pig. There is a difference bettween "handles" versus "capability of being handled", and capability of the handler. Don't get me wrong, the Z06 is a beast of a car, but there is nothing special about it. Its powerful, and has rear wheel drive. Ummmm...there are like so many other rwd cars out there that are lighter and can be made to be just powerful with little financial effort. The EVO is also an overweight pig but at least it doesn't cost 70 grand.

Can't really compare the two becuase the new z06 is on supercar status whereis the evo is not. The z06 does many things much better than the evo in STOCK form and will be a handful for evo drivers to beat on road courses and drag strips. Check out the z06's ring time and you will be suprised.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by _007
Evo that is not alond to enter US with over ***ing 280 hp max. Great country!!! right?
*Allowed*

Dumbass, the only restrictions coming into the US are emissions. Only cars sold IN JAPAN have the restrictions. Ever hear of a Toyota Supra Turbo? Maybe even the new Q45 (340hp)?

You are seriously dense.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
hahahhahahhahhaha, you don't know what your talking about.

Z06 curb weight: 3130 lbs

3rd gen rx7 curb weight: 2826 lbs

s13 curb weight: 2699 lbs

The z06 is an overweight pig. There is a difference bettween "handles" versus "capability of being handled", and capability of the handler. Don't get me wrong, the Z06 is a beast of a car, but there is nothing special about it. Its powerful, and has rear wheel drive. Ummmm...there are like so many other rwd cars out there that are lighter and can be made to be just powerful with little financial effort. The EVO is also an overweight pig but at least it doesn't cost 70 grand.
Only a ricer would say 3100 lbs is heavy.

Yes, heavy when you consider it against a 1.3L rotary car like the RX7! Give me a break. Or an S13. C'mon.

You know what else weighs around 3100? Ferrari 360, 430, Enzo. Porsche Carrera GT weighs MORE. NSX weighs more too. Are you trying to tell me an RX7 or S13 could outhandle ANY of these cars on a track, including the Z06?

Go back to the local fast food parking lot, drift king.

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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Oh yeah, a few things the Z06 has that makes it "special":

• LS7 7.0-liter/427-cubic-inch Gen IV V-8 engine with lightweight reciprocating components
• Aluminum body structure with one-piece hydroformed perimeter rails frame
• Carbon-fiber composite front fenders, front wheelhouses and floors
• Engine, transmission and differential oil coolers and steering cooler

What other car can offer what the Z06 offers stock, reliable, with a warranty, decent gas mileage, and as a comfortable daily driver? Nothing!

On top of that the LS7 has HUGE potential.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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It's good to see that "most" people on here can respect an amazing car for what it is.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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stock for stock = C6 zo6 rules
mod to mod= C6 zo6 RULES!
"the evo is da King of the Road and beats any CAR cause Thats JDM tyte YO!! " <-- fanboism
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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Remember guys, EVO's are f**ckin' fast, but ther're not supercars.
Smarest thing said yet
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
The point I'm trying to make is this:

You can say its not fair to compare other cars that are modified...wait a second why is it not fair? The Z06 costs 70k. My point is this:

YOU CAN BUILD A CAR FOR $20,000.00 THAT WILL OUT-POWER AND OUT-HANDLE THE Z06.

Maybe this is a obvious point to some, but apparently not to many. I have to admit however, stock for stock in terms of modern cars the Z06 has most other sports cars beat, if you are willing to shell up 70 grand for a car that will not be able to out perform a modified $20,000.00 car.
You can do that with a Pinto. What is your point???? Oh right, you have none.

Saying that American engineers haven't "figured it out" is ridiculous. The Z06 is the best engineered sports car under 100k. PERIOD.

How about the NSX? It's heavier than the new Z06. And all the exotics from Europe. I guess they don't "get it" either? Even the Supra/300ZX/3000GT were MUCH heavier. I guess Japan didn't "get it"?

Just because a car doesn't weigh as much as some stupid Nissan driftmobile doesn't mean it's not fully capable on a road course. MOST Japanese supercars weigh over 3000 lbs. That includes the Supra, Evo, STi, NSX, 300ZX, RX8, 350Z, etc. I guess Japanese engineers just don't "get it", huh?

Maybe you should fill them in.

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