Not only is the pricing out, the actual cars has been available for some time now already, at least if you are on the east coast. The invoice on the WRX Sedan is $23,022 and the MSRP is $25,045, both prices includes destination.

 

I understand the truth hurts, don't get all defensive because you bought an inferior car...


I have driven EVOs a few times, while the handling is great, it's power is pretty subpar, not worth 30k. If I paid 30k, I want the max out of a car.

 

Well if you can get a STi for MSRP do it, around here the talks are like $5K up, but over time everthing will level out but just remember if the demand is there for both the Evo and STi and do to limited production they will always get a premium like the SVT Cobra try getting one for MSRP not easy.

 

the evo is not limited in production. But the STI is for now. That may change. But I doubt it since the they can only produce so many in japan at the sti plant. There is talk that they will be building an evo plant here in the US.

 

While I don't know Sub's engines like I do the 2.0 mitsu, I do know that there was a lot of talked up reservation about going over 18 PSI on a stock sub motor. Maybe it is (was) newbie squimishness or whatever, but the support base for sub's just does not seem anywhere near what it is for the mitsu (granted, mitsu has a 12 year head start). I know I've run 24 lbs of boost on my talon with pump gas (I know stupid, but I was trying to tune my race setup and could not get the 105 that day), got knock and had computer timing retarded to 4 degrees (datalogged). All I got was a very minor crack in head gasket. I honestly don't know, can a Sub 2.0 take that kind of abuse???????? Maybe the STI sub will have more stock power, but for me (and many others due to their DSM backround I'm sure), I'll be way more confident pushing the mitsu motor to 400 HP or beyond (if and when). It's heck alot easier to work on the mitsu motor (again, I ain't worked on the subie, but pulling a head didn't look to easy and even an uppipe looked like a PIA). I thnk it will be way cheaper also, heck I still have my talon in the back yard with a 20G, 1rst gen BOV and maybe some other stuff I can use off the car. I'm also happy not to have any more electronic crap than is needed. That ACY/AYD/FUC, whatever it is, will probably crap out right after the warantee is up (hey maybe it's bulletproof and lasts forever, but my luck usually says different ;-)).

 

I can get an SVT Cobra for 1000 below MSRP.

Dealers in Socal have em all over their lots.

But then, I'm not looking for a drag car.

 

The following is a statement from Subaru describing the US STi motor.


The 2.5-liter horizontally opposed ("boxer") four-cylinder engine is based on a specially reinforced "semi-closed deck" engine block with forged aluminum alloy pistons, forged high-carbon steel connecting rods and sodium filled exhaust valves. This advanced powerplant incorporates Subaru AVCS (Active Valve Control System) variable valve timing technology to optimize the engine's volumetric efficiency throughout the rev band.

 

Wow, that statement is wonderful..... wonderfully useless.... it really doesn't say much at all other than what the engine is made of which is generally available. It doesn't directly address durability or tuning issues.

 

Is that supposed to tell me it is stout, not that it mattters, I was talking about sub's 2.0 andthe 2.5 still does not have 12 years and 1000's of cases of severe abuse under it's belt.

or are you describing my guesses at the acronyms?? I was talking about the active drivetain stuff (AYC, etc...), but now you gave me another reason not to want the STI.

 

Calm down people, I simply quoted the info from Subaru's site for information purposes. Stop being so offensive, where is the love?

 

What did I do to make you not want the STi?

 

I never wanted all the extra electronic drivetrain control stuff. I figured at some point when the car gets older, it was going to screw up. I was happy the EVO does not have it. I didn't know STI was getting electronic var. valve timing, so that to me, is another reason I don't want STI. My statements were mostly directed towards this.



I understand the truth hurts, don't get all defensive because you bought an inferior car...


I have driven EVOs a few times, while the handling is great, it's power is pretty subpar, not worth 30k. If I paid 30k, I want the max out of a car.

 

Why are you here then? I suggest you stop trying to think for other people and enjoy your new car ...... whatever it is.

Speedlimit..........

 

Here is a great link that talks about the boxer engine and how durable it really is http://www.mypersonaldrive.com/Subar...ton-Cranky.asp

 

I can get the STi for MSRP (locall + written contract) and will. I currently can not get the EVO for MSRP (locally/within 50 miles). There is a 10K makrup. They would probably deal on 5K but no lower. I tried just for the hell of it. There of course will be people having/willing to pay 5K over for the STi just as there were people that did just that for the EVO. Anything new and in demand will command a premium. But for both these car to continue to get that premium, production numbers will have to stay very low (lower than it is now). There will be many of them in this coutry in the used market after some time. Will the number of people that have the means and desire grow at the rate of (5000(EVO)+3600(STi)+available used) per year? We here on this board and others are part of a small community of enthusiast for these particular vehicles. We love them. We want them. Hell, we need them! Just like the limited number of cars produced there is a limited number of us. For the rest of the country, what do they think about spending 30+ K for a souped up econnobox with a hard ride and plastic interior? I know some of you have already gotten it for MSRP or less for the EVO. I know some will get the STi for MSRP or less this year(myself included for MSRP). Good for us. For everybody else with more patience the price will fall to MSRP or less in a year's time.