Your correct because at the moment, the resources to make the ethanol still require an infrastructure based on a traditional system.. However this is a very narrowminded and shortsighted opinion.

You need to create a demand for this as a renewable resource, and encourage biodiesel production and use, solar power, etc.. Until you create a demand and infrastructure for it, your correct.

In the long run, the ability to use a fuel source not based on fossil fuels can allow us to not rely on an outside source.

But besides that.. Race fuel performance for unleaded prices just kicks ***..

 

We don't have it here. And with using this fuel, the car has to be tuned to something like a 6.0 to 1 a/f., and I also hear milage is really sh*tty

If you read through the thread, he says he was showing 0 knock logging his car... and look what happen
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2938002

Also:Lambda 1 for gasoline = AFR 14.7
Lambda 1 for E85 = AFR 9.8

SO tuning to lambda 0.85 on E85 = AFR 8,33 at WOT

 

I guess living in Cali its good fuel
I can get torco 110 unleaded here

 

I feel better giving my hard earned $$$ to a farmer in the USA then giving it to an Oil Barron.
E85 burns cleaned, unlocks more whp, and cost a little less per gallon.
A 15% decrease in mileage is that bad when you think about all the gas guzzling V8’s that we already lay the smack down on at the track.

 

Some comparisions of stoichmetric fuel mixtures for different fuel blends:
======== stoichmetric AFR ===== max power rich AFR
Gasoline ---------- 14.7:1 -------------------12.5
100% E-85 ------- 9.73-9.8:1 ------------- ~ 9:1 - 8:1
100% fuel ethanol - 9:1 ------------------- ~ 7.2:1

Better reading...
E85 Ethanol in a WRX. Good INFO for EVO?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=197748
or
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=E85

 

He also has no idea what his EGT's were. And it seems like they haven't exactly found the culprit. A valve could have let go.

 

Thats actually 50% of the reason I want to be able to run E85.. I'd much rather support our agriculture/infrastructure/farmers and all local producers of the products than to ultimately send the money outside the country.

 

looks more like a mechanical failure....i highly doubt it had anything to do with the e85.

Edit: the national average for premium is $2.40, the average for E85 is $2.22.
a difference of close to 11%. Now look at the tuning potential of both fuels (for some of us the best we can get is 91 octane). To make impressive and safe power levels most of us here need to run race gas or Methanol. So along comes Ethanol and now for some of us we have a better option then depending on Race gas ($5+ a gallon) or Methanol ( tank only holds a limited amount...and if you run out your screwed). Yes there is some research required before you commit and im sure since its still kinda new the buy-in to get a running system will cost a bit more. Hey E85 is not for everyone nor would i recommend it for the average driver, but to those that can do it..hell go for it.

Educated vs Uninformed will be the fight that needs to be won.

 

Lets talk about mixing pump 93 with E85 to pick up some octane.

 

Now thats hot. If this works as easy as it sounds, life will be good.

 

I agree on all accounts, but don't worry about your money currently going outside the country. It's all going to this fat bastard:

 

Returning to my DSM roots, some used Toulene or Xylene to bump the octane up a bit, although they are leaded. IIRC they are around 112 and 116 octane. ((r+m)/2)

 

Why?

It's already the equivalent of 105 octane.

 

Best laugh I've had all day. This fat bastard may have sired a Thanksgiving turkey.

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DAYUM.. You can aquire wealth, and power... But UGLY is forever..

Had to edit my quote slightly...