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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 01:45 AM
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I have my Evo for 2500miles with no real complaints. I also work at a dealer as a tech (not ). Its seems to me that you are what we call at my dealership a "special" customer. One that notices unimportant and acceptable build tolerances. You see, if you realize that you are driving a 4 wheel drive vehicle you would take into count that at ALL times the 4 axles are being turned, therefore a noise here a noise there is totally acceptable. A vibration in the steering wheel defines a front end problem, specifically the 2 wheels. Balancing should fix it unless the wheels are bent or the one of the tires is defective (out of round). You said they balanced and performed a wheel alignment, and you still feel something that all of the techs dont .You then say that all of these problems are ever so slight, and the coincidence that you are the one with all of these defects leads me to beleive that you were not meant to be an EVO owner. Maybe a Lexus or BMW would suit you better. Sorry guy, but that's what I feel, just my 2 pennies, no hard feelings.
Next thing you'll complain about will be a noise coming from the wiper blades when turned on at 2pm on a sunny day making a left turn on main st. and only with 3 passengers- oh, and its ever so slight. Im sorry once again but I cant help it
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 01:53 AM
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you are what we call at my dealership a "special" customer
i think that a nice way of saying "PAIN IN THE ***"...
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 06:47 AM
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yup... that still catches me every once in a while... driving 45 - 50 .. one hand on the wheel one on the radio, changing tracks.... The car suddenly jerks the wheel out of my hand and we're headed off the road ( a slight exaggeration )
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 09:51 AM
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ADMstunna

Maybe you have a bent rim? Try switching your front wheels with the rear and see what happens? Clunking/pulsing felt in the steering wheel in a tight low speed turn could indicate a differential/CV joint problem.
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by superz
I have my Evo for 2500miles with no real complaints. I also work at a dealer as a tech (not ). Its seems to me that you are what we call at my dealership a "special" customer. One that notices unimportant and acceptable build tolerances. You see, if you realize that you are driving a 4 wheel drive vehicle you would take into count that at ALL times the 4 axles are being turned, therefore a noise here a noise there is totally acceptable. A vibration in the steering wheel defines a front end problem, specifically the 2 wheels. Balancing should fix it unless the wheels are bent or the one of the tires is defective (out of round). You said they balanced and performed a wheel alignment, and you still feel something that all of the techs dont .You then say that all of these problems are ever so slight, and the coincidence that you are the one with all of these defects leads me to beleive that you were not meant to be an EVO owner. Maybe a Lexus or BMW would suit you better. Sorry guy, but that's what I feel, just my 2 pennies, no hard feelings.
Next thing you'll complain about will be a noise coming from the wiper blades when turned on at 2pm on a sunny day making a left turn on main st. and only with 3 passengers- oh, and its ever so slight. Im sorry once again but I cant help it
Ya know what, lets not forget who the customer is....

If you went and baught a $2000 lcd monitor, got it home unpacked setup and turned it on to notice a dead pixel (yes only one dead pixel) would you just say hmm thats well within the 99.9% defect free rating for these and accept it...... Uhm, probably not.

So why should it be any different with something that costs 15 times as much. There is such a thing as a reasonable expectation of quality. I agree that some folks are picky and I know I am picky. If this car was sold as a track only vehicle I would say you are correct, but it is not it is sold for use on public highways and as such consumers should not be expected to just say oh it's a high performance vehicle so it's gonna creak and groan and make poping noises etc etc.

Manufaturers know that first year vehicles are going to have some issues as do consumers. If the manufaturer does not want to deal with those issues that may come up they should not offer the vehicles for sale. If the consumer is not willing to make a few trips to the dealer to have issues sorted out they should not buy the vehicle.

Personally, I think mitsu should have been fully prepared to replace a few vehicles, knowing full well that they would run into some issues and some customers would end up with lemons.

If we were given the opportunity to drive three or four evo's before picking the one we want I might feel differently but we all know that is not how these cars are sold.

I guess my point is, given the "nature" of these cars mitsubishi should have been better prepaired to deal with these types of first year complaints.
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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wow. its ridiculous how poeple pass judgement in this forum. yall dont even know me. lol. i guess you see the signature, get a mental picture and run with it....

You said they balanced and performed a wheel alignment, and you still feel something that all of the techs dont
- i never said that whats happening in the car is going un-noticed by the techs. they do see exactly what im talking about.

One that notices unimportant and acceptable build tolerances
- so what your saying is that mitsubishi is a piece of **** car and im an *******. thanks man.

Next thing you'll complain about will be a noise coming from the wiper blades when turned on at 2pm on a sunny day making a left turn on main st. and only with 3 passengers- oh, and its ever so slight. Im sorry once again but I cant help it
-ill let this one slide since i guess its some kinda therapy for you. saying **** like that makes you feel better.

with all of these defects leads me to beleive that you were not meant to be an EVO owner. Maybe a Lexus or BMW would suit you better.
-??? so me noticing problems in my car and wanting to get them fixed makes me not worthy of the EVO huh? thanks i appreciate that as well. bmw and lexus have all of the same bs problems like i stated before - all of which go unnoticed by most customers but do exist, and in fact are defects/problems.

yall seem to be getting the idea that im noticing stuff that doesnt exist. lol. just like i noticed my brakes warped. yeah that was just me too. yall must think that they werent warped at all huh. yall must not believe the spec sheet indicating that they in fact were not true either. yall think i should have another car less radical when i owned 2 integra typeR's for 3 years - one of which was modded with no a/c. yall think i should own a car less radical when i owned and daily drove a 12 sec 87 corolla for a year and a half. every day - no a/c, no power steering, roll up windows, fumes, break downs, vibration/clunks, 25 psi of boost
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 11:10 AM
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At least the thing isn't advancing it's timing to detonation like the STI's....and that's a common thing, your problems sound like a one off thing. I'd definately keep taking it in and getting it documented so you can get a replacement under the lemon law...sounds like the law was made for problems like your that the dealership just can't fix.
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 11:12 AM
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i am taking the car to the dealer here in jersey for the second time to address the shaking steering wheel at highway speeds and also the shaking steering wheel when brakes are applied at high(er) speeds.

so far they have told me it is the hard suspension etc. but I am not buying it. They re-balanced the wheels the first time i took it in but it didnt seem to help at all . The wheel should not shake as much as it does. The wheel noticeably shakes on completely smooth and unsmooth asphalt.

I am convinced the dealer will try to BS me with the hope that I just accept things as is. I do not want to file a lemon law claim but I will.
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by superz
I have my Evo for 2500miles with no real complaints. I also work at a dealer as a tech (not ). Its seems to me that you are what we call at my dealership a "special" customer. One that notices unimportant and acceptable build tolerances. You see, if you realize that you are driving a 4 wheel drive vehicle you would take into count that at ALL times the 4 axles are being turned, therefore a noise here a noise there is totally acceptable. A vibration in the steering wheel defines a front end problem, specifically the 2 wheels. Balancing should fix it unless the wheels are bent or the one of the tires is defective (out of round). You said they balanced and performed a wheel alignment, and you still feel something that all of the techs dont .You then say that all of these problems are ever so slight, and the coincidence that you are the one with all of these defects leads me to beleive that you were not meant to be an EVO owner. Maybe a Lexus or BMW would suit you better. Sorry guy, but that's what I feel, just my 2 pennies, no hard feelings.
Next thing you'll complain about will be a noise coming from the wiper blades when turned on at 2pm on a sunny day making a left turn on main st. and only with 3 passengers- oh, and its ever so slight. Im sorry once again but I cant help it
Man, you are exactly what everyone fears. Techs who are about blaming the customer in an attempt to get out of truly analyzing the situation and trying to figure out what is wrong with the car. The problem with this car could be a myriad of things, bad bushings, CV's, differentials, tires, rims...hell, the body could have been stamped and welded incorrectly. EVO’s get their parts from a lot of specialty low volume suppliers and WILL have a propensity for higher failure rates for those parts. It is going to take a lot of time and thought to figure out what is really wrong with it. You would rather blame him. You and other techs like you are the very reason he is screwed, why lemon laws have been enacted, and why Mitsu (et. al) has trouble marketing low volume specialty cars in the US...the support channels, from sales to service, simply aren't there.
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 01:18 PM
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AdmStunna I have you Ep now and im loving every minute of it man!!! Thanks for the Car sorry your evo didnt work out man...
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 01:38 PM
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Just a side note, my 2000 Eclipse GT had the same vibration problems while driving at high speeds and braking. I would get these vibrations at around 80 - 90 mph, but it also depended on the kind of pavement I was driving on. Don't ask me how. During hard braking or even soft braking from high speeds, I would get the same kind of vibration. Was this an isolated incident? Hardly because a number of fellow 3G Eclipse owners from all over experienced the same problem. We all have tried the tire rotation, balancing, wheel-alignment, and brake fixes, but they're only a temporary solution. They just keep coming back so I said, "**** it! I'm getting an Evo anyway!" But it looks like it might come back to haunt me.
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 01:43 PM
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my car shakes badly under braking
my dealer checked the disks and told me everything is ok, but I know they are warped
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Old Jun 7, 2003 | 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Keyser_Soze
AdmStunna I have you Ep now and im loving every minute of it man!!! Thanks for the Car sorry your evo didnt work out man...
thats good to hear! i kept it in good shape just for you that was a really good car, and i only traded it to get a better car. absolutely no problems. hey u wanna buy the rims/tires i had on it before? i still have them. $800 balanced with lug nuts and locks. no curb rash like new. cost me 1400 new.

-well went back to the dealer today and drove the car with the rotated tires. it drives 100 times better with no shake/wobble in the steering wheel, which leads them to beleive the rear set of wheels/tires which used to be in front are messed up somehow. that is gonna be addressed on monday. whether it be new tires or new rims or wutever.

-the clunking is still there and seems to only make it when turning to the left now from a stop. they are gonna see about that on monday as well. they went through the entire drivetrain (at least externally) and everything is tight and what not. seems to be coming from the center differential / center housing. it may be normal and it may not. hopefully it is

maki - if your car shakes badly under braking how in the hell could the dealer tell you everything is okay?????
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