View Poll Results: Which would go on YOUR evo??
BuschurRacing stage 1 kit
26
29.89%
Works Rally kit
20
22.99%
Vishnu stage zero
41
47.13%
Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll
grr this is really tuff...
I also have the RMR stuff with an MBC, and the Apexi S-AFC with Buschur's settings. I am happy with it. I will go with an EBC as I am not big on the MBC...
I was going to go with all Buschur's parts, but the exhaust was too loud for me so I went with RMR for constancy.
I was going to go with all Buschur's parts, but the exhaust was too loud for me so I went with RMR for constancy.
What sets WORKS apart:
(1) None of the competing systems offer a higher rev limit and the ability to make power all the way to 7850 rpm. Further, none of the competing systems currently address the actual tuning within the confines of the ECU itself rather than relying on splicing in outside boxes.
(2) We offer products not carried by anyone else, including our upgraded throttle body ("Aperture") and lower arm brace/skid plate ("Croxx Plate"). We will continue to release cutting-edge products of our own design for the EVO addressing all aspects of performance from handling, to braking, to engine tuning.
(3) Another point of distinction is one of credentials. When I say our engineers have spent countless hours on R&D, I mean our engineers have put that time in. We have four engineers on staff with degrees in mechanical engineering and industrial design and collectively over 40 years of experience in automotive high performance product design. Our competitors have how many actual engineers on staff? We don't contract product development out -- we do it ourselves. Likewise, if we wouldn't put the product on our own cars, we don't sell it. It really is that simple.
All of our R&D is done to the same standards and following the same protocols as the OEMS. This is also why WORKS is the only independent tuner to offer a warranty that exceeds even Mitsubishi's own warranty. No need for me to name names when making comparisons, but when it comes to credentials and R&D, WORKS really is at the top of the ladder.
-- DavidV
(1) None of the competing systems offer a higher rev limit and the ability to make power all the way to 7850 rpm. Further, none of the competing systems currently address the actual tuning within the confines of the ECU itself rather than relying on splicing in outside boxes.
(2) We offer products not carried by anyone else, including our upgraded throttle body ("Aperture") and lower arm brace/skid plate ("Croxx Plate"). We will continue to release cutting-edge products of our own design for the EVO addressing all aspects of performance from handling, to braking, to engine tuning.
(3) Another point of distinction is one of credentials. When I say our engineers have spent countless hours on R&D, I mean our engineers have put that time in. We have four engineers on staff with degrees in mechanical engineering and industrial design and collectively over 40 years of experience in automotive high performance product design. Our competitors have how many actual engineers on staff? We don't contract product development out -- we do it ourselves. Likewise, if we wouldn't put the product on our own cars, we don't sell it. It really is that simple.
All of our R&D is done to the same standards and following the same protocols as the OEMS. This is also why WORKS is the only independent tuner to offer a warranty that exceeds even Mitsubishi's own warranty. No need for me to name names when making comparisons, but when it comes to credentials and R&D, WORKS really is at the top of the ladder.
-- DavidV
Last edited by DavidV@WORKS; Jul 29, 2003 at 12:58 PM.
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I'm very interested in an OEM style solution. Can you guys compensate for larger injectors and changes to the linearization table for larger MAFs (like Ford Cobra Hitachi style)?
I've always had good luck using a reprogram of the factory ECU, it's just a PITA finding out who really knows about the ECU, and waiting until the factory chips are decoded. There has to be a good combination of bit-flipper/tuner/racer/geek/fabricator in the company to get things reliable and fun. Whomever has direct access to the factory gurus, or if the factory uses them for tuning, (JWT) usually wins the ECU race.
I've always had good luck using a reprogram of the factory ECU, it's just a PITA finding out who really knows about the ECU, and waiting until the factory chips are decoded. There has to be a good combination of bit-flipper/tuner/racer/geek/fabricator in the company to get things reliable and fun. Whomever has direct access to the factory gurus, or if the factory uses them for tuning, (JWT) usually wins the ECU race.
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Originally posted by DavidV@WORKS
What sets WORKS apart:
(1) None of the competing systems offer a higher rev limit and the ability to make power all the way to 7850 rpm. Further, none of the competing systems currently address the actual tuning within the confines of the ECU itself rather than relying on splicing in outside boxes.
(2) We offer products not carried by anyone else, including our upgraded throttle body ("Aperture") and lower arm brace/skid plate ("Croxx Plate"). We will continue to release cutting-edge products of our own design for the EVO addressing all aspects of performance from handling, to braking, to engine tuning.
(3) Another point of distinction is one of credentials. When I say our engineers have spent countless hours on R&D, I mean our engineers have put that time in. We have four engineers on staff with degrees in mechanical engineering and industrial design and collectively over 40 years of experience in automotive high performance product design. Our competitors have how many actual engineers on staff? We don't contract product development out -- we do it ourselves. Likewise, if we wouldn't put the product on our own cars, we don't sell it. It really is that simple.
All of our R&D is done to the same standards and following the same protocols as the OEMS. This is also why WORKS is the only independent tuner to offer a warranty that exceeds even Mitsubishi's own warranty. No need for me to name names when making comparisons, but when it comes to credentials and R&D, WORKS really is at the top of the ladder.
-- DavidV
What sets WORKS apart:
(1) None of the competing systems offer a higher rev limit and the ability to make power all the way to 7850 rpm. Further, none of the competing systems currently address the actual tuning within the confines of the ECU itself rather than relying on splicing in outside boxes.
(2) We offer products not carried by anyone else, including our upgraded throttle body ("Aperture") and lower arm brace/skid plate ("Croxx Plate"). We will continue to release cutting-edge products of our own design for the EVO addressing all aspects of performance from handling, to braking, to engine tuning.
(3) Another point of distinction is one of credentials. When I say our engineers have spent countless hours on R&D, I mean our engineers have put that time in. We have four engineers on staff with degrees in mechanical engineering and industrial design and collectively over 40 years of experience in automotive high performance product design. Our competitors have how many actual engineers on staff? We don't contract product development out -- we do it ourselves. Likewise, if we wouldn't put the product on our own cars, we don't sell it. It really is that simple.
All of our R&D is done to the same standards and following the same protocols as the OEMS. This is also why WORKS is the only independent tuner to offer a warranty that exceeds even Mitsubishi's own warranty. No need for me to name names when making comparisons, but when it comes to credentials and R&D, WORKS really is at the top of the ladder.
-- DavidV
Cheers,
shiv
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Originally posted by Chris in HB
Oh my - a tuner battle!
Just don't blow your intake manifold welds or lose your diamond plate floorboards on the dyno...
Oh my - a tuner battle!
Just don't blow your intake manifold welds or lose your diamond plate floorboards on the dyno...
shiv
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Great to hear. See you on Sunday!
Cheers,
shiv
Great to hear. See you on Sunday!
Cheers,
shiv
By the way, I've been on a beach killing brain cells for the last week... what's on Sunday?
I must have missed it too, but it sounds like a good old fashioned performance challenge eh?
Really would be nice to have Vishnu, Works, and RMR all three represented since all are West Coast based tuners offering similar tuning parts. A three way duke-out!!
BTW- Is SCC going to do an article? If not they should, it would be good reading I think.;-)
N10S
Really would be nice to have Vishnu, Works, and RMR all three represented since all are West Coast based tuners offering similar tuning parts. A three way duke-out!!
BTW- Is SCC going to do an article? If not they should, it would be good reading I think.;-)
N10S
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Originally posted by N10S
I must have missed it too, but it sounds like a good old fashioned performance challenge eh?
Really would be nice to have Vishnu, Works, and RMR all three represented since all are West Coast based tuners offering similar tuning parts. A three way duke-out!!
BTW- Is SCC going to do an article? If not they should, it would be good reading I think.;-)
N10S
I must have missed it too, but it sounds like a good old fashioned performance challenge eh?
Really would be nice to have Vishnu, Works, and RMR all three represented since all are West Coast based tuners offering similar tuning parts. A three way duke-out!!
BTW- Is SCC going to do an article? If not they should, it would be good reading I think.;-)
N10S
Heck, after we both competed the Car&Driver SuperTuner shootout, Rhys (who I've known for a few years) and his guys had a nice relaxing dinner with us. In fact, some of my best experiences in this weird world of automotive performance was in-door guerilla go-karting at Dromo One with all of the racing Millens (Rhys, Rod, Ryan, etc,.)
Cheers,
shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Jul 30, 2003 at 10:16 PM.
I would pick Buschur Racing because of the exhust and the air filter out of all of them but a better way to go is picking your own stuff cause some of the stuff suck and there are better products
Ahhh....a grudge match! Now I understand;-)
So what are the rules of engagement? Surely there must be some kind of guidelines to ensure similar mods, type of tests, etc.... . Is there another thread on this topic(The Official Works vs Vishnu grudge match!!)already?
Reminds me of getting ready for a fight in the schoolyard (heheh). You guys should race, then afterwards we could tie you and David together and then let you wale on each other for a while;-)
So what are the rules of engagement? Surely there must be some kind of guidelines to ensure similar mods, type of tests, etc.... . Is there another thread on this topic(The Official Works vs Vishnu grudge match!!)already?
Reminds me of getting ready for a fight in the schoolyard (heheh). You guys should race, then afterwards we could tie you and David together and then let you wale on each other for a while;-)
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Originally posted by N10S
Ahhh....a grudge match! Now I understand;-)
So what are the rules of engagement? Surely there must be some kind of guidelines to ensure similar mods, type of tests, etc.... . Is there another thread on this topic(The Official Works vs Vishnu grudge match!!)already?
Reminds me of getting ready for a fight in the schoolyard (heheh). You guys should race, then afterwards we could tie you and David together and then let you wale on each other for a while;-)
Ahhh....a grudge match! Now I understand;-)
So what are the rules of engagement? Surely there must be some kind of guidelines to ensure similar mods, type of tests, etc.... . Is there another thread on this topic(The Official Works vs Vishnu grudge match!!)already?
Reminds me of getting ready for a fight in the schoolyard (heheh). You guys should race, then afterwards we could tie you and David together and then let you wale on each other for a while;-)
Last edited by limey; Jul 31, 2003 at 03:25 AM.
I think WORKS fits a different niche than the others. More for those who might consider sacrificing long term HP gains and tuning. More for people who want an edge but want to be able to plug, play & forget. If you want to gain an extra 30hp and have a 99% chance of keeping factory warranty, and never want to think about it again, WORKS is for you.
I think the others are for ***** out tuning, both long term and short term. But would be quick to void that warranty. Just figure out which route you want to take. I'm keeping my warranty for now and when the warranty has expired and the car has aged some, ***** out tuning here I come, until then I with WORKS.
Vishnu and Works both seem to have their sh*t together. We all know Shiv is a well informed guy and David has impressed me with the customer service. I believe regardless of the results of this contest it's a draw. Two different approaches aiming at slightly different goals. Who's to say?
I think the others are for ***** out tuning, both long term and short term. But would be quick to void that warranty. Just figure out which route you want to take. I'm keeping my warranty for now and when the warranty has expired and the car has aged some, ***** out tuning here I come, until then I with WORKS.
Vishnu and Works both seem to have their sh*t together. We all know Shiv is a well informed guy and David has impressed me with the customer service. I believe regardless of the results of this contest it's a draw. Two different approaches aiming at slightly different goals. Who's to say?
Last edited by mayhem; Jul 31, 2003 at 07:03 AM.
I agree that many of Works customers are interested in a plug and play option, but the reality is that the re-flash also creates a new baseline for tuning from. Just because you decide to add a re-flash to your ecu doesn't prevent you from making other mods.
Obviously if Al is now running a Works re-flash, and he currently has the quickest/ fastest EVO in NA, then he is not too concerned about the "limits" of a re-flash, or sacrificing long-term hp gains. He is just the first of many who will take this path of using the re-flash as a tool to improve the stock ECU baseline maps.
Realistically the limits are what we make them. Nothing more....nothing less.
N10S
Obviously if Al is now running a Works re-flash, and he currently has the quickest/ fastest EVO in NA, then he is not too concerned about the "limits" of a re-flash, or sacrificing long-term hp gains. He is just the first of many who will take this path of using the re-flash as a tool to improve the stock ECU baseline maps.
Realistically the limits are what we make them. Nothing more....nothing less.
N10S