here is a idea

we did this on the TYPE R boards we had 1 person we could trust
and was neutral and had them test diffrent headers and other
mods away from the vendors. everyone pitched in a few bucks through a paypal acount then installed them. then the dyno pulls were released to the boards and the true value of the products were made known.

there are more than enough people on this board to pitch in to see what would happen.. think about it lets say people pitch in 20 bucks and we purchase these products on our own this way there is no little tweaks that they can load in the ECU's. after all the testing is done we post the results and see what happens.
i dont know about you guys but it would be worth 20 or 25 bucks to find out what is the best bang for the buck. think about it .. it save us all time and alot of money due trial and error. as far as the product when the testing is done we auction them off to the highest bidder and the other go to the guy who uses his car for the dynoing.
the money from the auction of the remaining part's can go to charity... as far as me i have done to dam many trial and error sessions and would be refreshed to just buy something that works right the 1st time.. no this deal would be only open to VISHNU and WORKS. i know that other vendors probably would like to get in on it but these seem to be the ones everyone is concidering right now maybe later we can do others..

OH.. and the vehicle we pick can not be anyone who has any mods to there car now a bone stock evo i would say not in the bay area (sorry guys) because you are all to close to the vendors maybe in orange county or los angeles

well enough said tell me what you all think my fellow EVO owners.


Last edited by evolife04 on Aug 4, 2003 at 10:13 PM

 

It didn't quite work out that easily though if I remember correctly. There were lots of argument in the process of getting set up for the test. It took months to get things organized....there were vendor squabbles...and word that the person doing the tests was somehow biased.

But it would be interesting to see how these ecu's match up in a real world test.

Why don't you lay out the ground rules for how the test could be run in an unbiased manner. Maybe that would help the project along?

SC~ aka Cheeseman on the HTC board.

 

I don't see why the vendor shouldn't be willing to loan out the product for the test. Then just sell it as slightly used when they get it back. I guess this is easier for shiv since the Xede is plug in.
The Works reflash is a little more difficult.

 

sorry guys im a work ill post up a guide line later. as far as them donating part would not be fair because they have a chance to
alter them.. not saying that would happen but it needs to be on our own. we are the oneswho buy there product in dream of horse power and performance i think this would help us all out in the long run and a minimal cost to each of us.

 

ok..

well had a chance to think about it. the ground rules as these

the products will be bought from both venders. the person who buys them will not let them selves be known as not leak back to the vendors. i have a location that i can dyno at and i have time set aside right now for later this month as i will be on vacation.

1. we need a car that we can test on and in return gets to keep 1 of the upgrade as compensation for the dynoing

2. i think we should just stick to the easy stuff like the ecu's i can buy a stock ECU from the dealer at cost plus 10% and tax. so that way we have all the bases covered.

3. we need to set up a paypal account or some way for people to send $$ for the testing.

4. any extra $$ at the end of the test will go to a charity of the board choice . we can all vote in a poll topic and then donate it under this boards name or a name of someone we lost in a crash which ever. this way no one will say they are getting free stuff and pulling a scam..

5. no one with the venders company can be present. must be done in secret as to protect the results.

now i am a fellow evo owner and i would like to see this go through.i have spent and ton of money in the past on my other cars and wasted it. i want to now know up front what is the best buy and safest buy for my car. i dont care if the part is $1.00 or $1,000. most of us a worried about the warranty issue with our vehicle and the ECU's seems to be the easy way to make a little more juice for our cars.

I dont know about you but i spent a ton of money on the car just buying it so it's worth 25 bucks or so to put the trash talking
to rest this will once and for all show what happens on the same car with both ECU's on the same dyno and same day.

I also think it will be good to donate the remaining $$ to a charity
so this way we all helped each other out and also some less
able to help them selves..

well you all get the idea.

let the coments flow positive or negitive fine,BUT i do not want this to become and flame war againt people who are for or against. this is to be about the testing not the vendors .

 

Just for FYI, there is an AWD Dyno Dynamics (Shiv's device) setup in San Diego at Pann Auto.

http://www.pannauto.com/

 

moderator can we move this to general?
i think it will get more people to see it

thanks

 

Couple of comments:

1.) I vote for a car outside of Cali because 90% of us live in a 93 octane state.

2.) The XEDE is pretty easy to swap in and out but a reflashed ECU takes 4 days. How can we get an accurate dyno of both on the same car on the same day?

3.) Another nice comparison would for the test car to start with the XEDE for a week, then switch to the WORKS reflash for a week. Again, the dyno numbers would not be accurate but our ginny pig could give us an evaluation of how the XEDE/WORKS reflash compare on a daily basis.

Also want to throw in that I would donate my car and time.

 

as far as the car we pick we can put it to a board vote.

i'm not sure if people want a driving comparison i think they want dyno numbers most of the people who get involved with cost of tetsting already are going to do the ECU's they just want hard #'s as far as out side of cali not sure i would also post it as a
option,but here we have the weakest gas of all and would be the
hardest test of the systems. this way we can what actual gains are hard from the weakest gas.

i need some feed back if this going to work .
if anyone wants to help out ley me know.

 

hi i would be willing to purchase either of the mods (can't decide wich so this gives me a push) and dyno it i live on east coast my car is stock (except boost gauge) i will pay for dyno if the members pay for product. Also to make it fair the board can pick wich company i use. that way every one would know i wasn't biased..let me know.

thanks,scott

 

but thats not nescessarily true evolife because they have a different tune for different octane, so its not really a good comparison to point out their gains on one octane but not the rest.

 

We are getting a new dyno dynamics dyno in St. Louis shortly. Axis racing is installing it and should have it up and running in August I think. Ron the owner has been doing a little experimenting with Vishnu's XEDE and a cat-back on a local EVO.

I am planning on getting my 93 octane Works re-flash dynoed there in the near future, and will be interested to see how they compare. I hope to have some kind of exhaust on by then as well.

As far as I am concerned I would really like to see the 93 octane comparison.

N10S

 

i feel this post has hit a wall. i see 800 views but no one seems to want to put in input except a few people.

I would like a show of hand's who would actually would put in $$ to find out what these ECU's are doing on our own. i will not hold you to it but if only very few people do it we can't make this happen.

i have a wife and 3 kids so im not able to drop tons of money on mods anymore. this is why i started this thread so i can just buy a product in stall it and know i got a good deal and power also.

we as a whole have the power to make this happen so we can save money for other mods like rims or what ever.

i have already gone through the building process with my TYPE R

after all was said and done and trail and error i spent more than i had to. like i said earlier we spent more than an average amount of money to buy these car's.

well enough said. just a show of hands who can put in $$and what you would like as far as ECU reflashing 91 or 93 this will give us a sence of how many want what...

thanks again

 

I'll put in a few.....

But I think the parts, when the testing is complete, should be raffled off randomly to the people who donated.

A 1/50 chance to win 20-40 extra hp for your Evo?

I think that would go a long way towards getting people motivated to give donations to see this test happen.

SC~

 

sounds fine we can raffle off the products but i still think the one who car is used should get 1 of the ECU's to be fair to him/her