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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 06:44 PM
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If I read the article correctly...RMR has a Evo 8 with a ACD setup and has the possibility to install the rear ayc?
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 08:53 PM
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did anyone else think that ALOT of the hp claims for the front drive class cars were way over inflated...?

some of those tuners were blowing some serious smoke... 300hp for the JRSC SVT Focus @ only 8 psi...? no ****in way they made 130hp jump from that Eaton blower at 8psi... i only made about 100hp jump on my Si @ 10psi with the JRSC...
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 08:58 PM
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i know getting the power to the ground is the enemy of a hi-po FWD, but these 1/4 mile times for some of these cars just makes me laugh...

both EVO's had realistic hp claims and they blew the doors off most everything... the only reason they didn't win, is they didn't have the top end for the push from 100-130...

EVO is king...

the Cobb WRX was a real dissapointment as well... but those fenders...? holy cow they were huge...!
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Old Aug 7, 2003 | 09:59 PM
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The EVO's lost nearly 3 seconds on the 100-130 but set all the other acceleration records of the group. Wait till next year when the tuners have had a bit more time...(turbo upgrades, stroker kits...)
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 06:18 AM
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did anyone else think that ALOT of the hp claims for the front drive class cars were way over inflated...?


The thing you have to remember, and the thing I hate about C&D, is that all their numbers are CRANK horsepower.

It's frustrating reading that drivel and trying to mentally convert to an estimation of wheel horsepower.

I'd send them a letter but they wouldn't change anyway.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 06:22 AM
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Just a note about the RMR horsepower claim. That article was finished before they had a chance to dyno the car. I was there the day they got back from the shoot and I talked to them (Rhys, Matt and Eric) about some upgrades to my car (when my car was stock). Anyway, they told C&D it would be about 341, but really it is about 310 at the wheels (about 360 corrected for the crank). Very interesting article - the Evos cleaned up, especially taking price into consideration.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 06:30 AM
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Anyway, they told C&D it would be about 341, but really it is about 310 at the wheels (about 360 corrected for the crank).
The awd system has more that 14% drivetrain loss. More like 20-25%.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 06:32 AM
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So what do you figure the BHP to be? I have 300 (well, 299) at the wheels...
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 06:37 AM
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It's hard to say without taking the engine out. It depends on which awd dyno i assume (dynojet, dynopack, dynamic dyno, mustang, and etc). What correction factors were used and what version of program the dyno is running. The best bet is to ask your tuner or just guessimate how much by knowing what the average stock evo runs on that dyno.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 08:16 AM
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i know they were giving bhp estimates, but they were still high... especially considering that a FWD only loses anywhere from 10-15% through the drivetrain... Honda / Acura is usually around 12%...
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 09:48 AM
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FWIW, our entry, which ran 106mph trap speeds made 225 -230 wheel hp on our dyno. I don't see that being anything stronger than 310 wheel hp. Just 5-10 more wheel hp than an STi, as tested under similar conditions.

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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:03 AM
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No question the EVO was the winner in terms of performance/$.

Put 10k in engine and suspension mods, and it has comparable performance to the Z06 C&D talks about. Not to mention a back seat and all weather drivability. All for about $15,000 less.

The Cobb car was a huge dissapointment. It should have smoked everything.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 05:01 PM
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RMR's Evo won 2nd place while Vishnu's Performance Evo won 4rth place.....the cobbs subaru wrx won 3rd....
RMR's Evo Quarter Mile-- 13.0@105 mph
Vishnu's Evo quarter mile---13.0@106 mph

It states that "RmR's Evo has an electronically controlled center differential....something mitsubishi never added to stock evo 8 to hold down costs....
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 07:56 PM
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the RMR is an EVO VII with VIII bodywork...

and the RMR actually ran a 12.9, at least that's what the write up said, but the chart showed a 13.0... or was that the Vishnu EVO that ran the 12.9...?
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