We can all agree that a car cannot drive itself, no matter how fast it is. We can all agree, that driving a car is a skill equally as important as the skill to keep it running. However, this thread is NOT about driving them. However, it it makes you feel better, I will edit this, just for you!
Don't speak for the majority, your are the main one who is crying. You have taken the most offense. We all know that people have reasons to why or why not they do their own work. Some people don't have the knowlege. Some people don't have the tools or the place to do it. Some people actually do. That was the point of the thread and the poll, which you clearly missed. The point of the poll and thread was to answer whether you did or not, and why. You cling to my earlier quote, but it is my opinion and how I feel. Others may disagree , and others may agree. This is called "discussion and debate in forums". You clogging up the thread with your whining and crying is not doing anything. My quote has been edited in attemps to make you feel better.

Finally, in terms of owning an Evo or not, I really don't feel I have to explain myself to you, but I will anyhow since you seem that this fact bothers you. I do not own an Evolution. I have owned almost a dozen DSMs in the past 5 years. I have worked on and driven quite a few Evolution VIII and IXs as well, and have good friends who drive them. I consider myself to be a Mitsubishi enthusiasts, or moreso, an enthusiast of the 4G63 engine. At this time, I do not feel it is nessisary to own two non-daily driven 4G63 powered vehicles, especialy modded ones, thus my 2007 Civic daiily, my 1g, and my non Evolution ownership. However, if any of these things are left in decent condition in the next couple of years, ownership will be a realistic possibility. Regardless of me owning en Evo or not, I post here as a fellow enthusiast. If you have a problem with this, I really don't give a ****. If you further have a problem with this, shoot me a PM, and I will gladly discuss this further with you.


Thanks!

 

We all have opinions, and I am understanding of people's different situation. FJF is mostly upset and not understanding of this.

 

There's no need to edit your comments. A simple acknowledgement would have sufficed.

I'm not offended; I simply enjoy poking a blatant troll.

Throughout our discussion, I've tried to define the rationale for your opinion, which you have not backed up in the least. "It's my opinion, because it's my opinion," stops working before one reaches high school. As it stands, you've defined those who do not choose to do their own work in derogatory terms, decided to edit your original comment, all the while not supplying an iota of support for your claim. Instead, it's a bunch of backpedaling and obfuscation.

If you're going to make claims, at least find the intellectual honesty within yourself to support them, without running away from your own words.

Let's briefly review. You're posting on an Evo forum, yet you do not own an Evo. You're insulting Evo owners who choose not to wrench, themselves, calling folks "checkbook racers," and insisting that others are not "true enthusiasts," because they don't follow your example. Ironically, lead by your example, none of us would have Evos to begin with.

Who cares? You're not an Evo owner who decided to troll us in hopes of dubiously elevating his own stature, as per your own actions.

 

I have many times gave you reasoning for my thoughts, you choose to ignore them. I will further illustrate them for you.

Lets just say two people have two Evo VIIIs, and they bought them bone stock. Both people are of same financial worth, or are equaly as wealthy as each other. Guy #1 takes his Evo to his local "tuning shop", and they install upgrades such as a 20g turbo, upgraded front mount, Walbro pump, injectors, exhaust, and even tune his car for him. He may know or not know how these parts are installed, however, this does not matter, he has them installed for him, and never touches them.

Guy #2 orders his parts, mabey even fabs some of his upgrades him. He studies his service manual before he begins the work, and carefully performs each task, be it installing a new turbo, replacing his timing belt, ect.

Both cars run at the track. Both drivers are equally as skilled, and both run similar if not the same ETs and trap speed at the track.

My point after all of this, while both people are considered "enthusiasts", somthing can be said for the guy who did his own work. Mabey such a sense of pride and accomplishment is not as equaly as recognized today as it onces was a long time ago, but I believe that this value is still instilled very much in alot of car guys. Corny as it may sound, we will call it the "bond between man and machine".

I cannot further explain this to you, FJF, any better than I just did, mabey I am not quite as articulate as you. If you cannot understand my point, whether you agree with it or not, you are simply just looking to get into an e-fight with me, and I don't feel like going back and forth with you. Obviously you don't agree, I can see that. To you a driver is more important than the person who builds said car, while though I don't agree, I will respect your opinion, and agree to disagree.


However....
You calling me a troll and telling me that I have no business here is BS. Look carefully, I have been a member of these forums longer than you have. I read here regularly, and have friends who are member of these forums. I also know there are quite a few members here who are DSM guys, and who do not own Evos. There are also members here who were former owners and have sold their Evos, and members who have yet to buy and Evo and have never owned a Mitsubishi at all. Are you saying they have no right to be here as well? Or if so, they must not say anything to offend an Evo owner? Because you are an Evolution owner, therefore you are greater than I? If you truely belive this, I invite you or anyone else with the same feelings to suck it. I will post where I want. PM sent.

 

thats like sending your wife to get gang banged by a multi million dollar **** company right? its ok if professional **** stars do her but not the next door neighbor?

 

Exactly!

 

Lolz! I don't know where this thread is going but its either confusing or op needs someone to sit down and explain it to him. Talontuner4g63, I think I know what you are talking about but your analogy does not even closely represent what you are feeling. What you are trying to express is your direct bond with the car that you work on, not everybody values materialistic objects the same way. Its like a fetish that you have or something. Let me give you an example.

Guy number one sends his wife to the hair and nail salon to get her hair and nails done. She comes home looking sexy, guy number one feels proud to be her husband.
Guy number two decides that his wife needs a makeover, he does her hair and nails himself. She comes out looking sexy, guy number two feels proud that he did the makeover.

While the spectators stand by, they can give a rats @ss who did what to who, they are just glad to see a sexy women.
Guy number two feels like from now on he should be in charge of his wife's hair and nails, otherwise it would be like his wife is cheating on him. (Do you see how this analogy makes you look now? talontuner4g63?)
Guy number one would rather pay someone else to beautify his wife because he is soley interested in the outcome.

I hope this version of my analogy will help clarify things in this thread, because its getting useless to read.

 

I go to dealer for oil changes, tire rotations and minor maintenance things. Performance upgrades I do myself.

 

yea, ----- that's me too

 

I do most of the basic bolt on's and oil changes and what not but when I know I can't install something I take it to my mechanic and have him install the part.

 

I do everything I possibly can. If I don't think I can by myself, I look for help from friends, acquaintances, the internet, or even pay someone to teach me while they help me do it. I did my own SR20DET swap in my first car, which was an S14, and had only done basic maintenance and bolt-on mods until then. I want to learn as much as possible, spend as little as possible, and simply don't trust the ham fisted ignoramuses in my area to the point where I am pretty sure that if I do my homework I am better off than their years of "professional" experience in screwing things up.

 

That is exactly what made me start doing ALL of my own work, bad experiance with "professional mechanics" ****ing things all to hell.

Short story: Was always somewhat mechanicly inclined, and my father is a mechanic. When I was 14-15, I got my first "project car", and a car I would eventualy learn to drive on, a 1984 Chevrolet Monte Carlo with a tired old 305cid v8 engine. As things would break on it, I learned how to do basic stuff: do a tune up, rebuild a carburetor, change the fuel pump, ect. But the big stuff (transmission work, engine rebuilds, ect) would eventualy be left up to a reputable repair shop.

The transmission eventualy started pouring fluid out the front seal, and required an R&R of the trans to replace. I took it to a local shop, and they supposedly pulled the transmission, replaced the front and rear seal, seal on the speedo cable, and pan gasket and filter. The car sat for a while after, and about a month later, I came out to where it was in the garage to find a lake of trans fluid under the car. I jacked the car up to take a peak, and looked at the trans. It was still just as grimey and oily as before I brought it to them, and they had not replaced any of the seals, just put silicone around everything. I returned to the shop, and the manager basicly told me to **** off. This was when I was around 16-17. From that day on, I vowed never to take my car to a shop again. My belief of shops being a bunch of no-good rip off scumbags would later be further instilled in me after working at numerous dealerships and a performance shop.


Looking at the poll, it looks like more than half of the voters do SOME type of work on their car! Right on, I must admit, was more than I thought there would be! Keep the votes coming in!

 

I can't believe I just read all of that.

 

i want to work on my evo..i mean its not my daily..im just scared too break something or mess something up....i want to install a clutch and timing belt...

 

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