When is enough, enough?
When is enough, enough?
For starters, let me explain my thought process. I plan on going the distance with my Evo, much like Alfried has. I can't say I will do it as a first, nor am I trying to compete, nor do I even have the cash for it right now, but these are my plans. Im the kind of guy, I dont buy a slip-on muffler for my motorcycle when I eventually want a full exhaust. I dont want to buy a manual boost controller when I know Im going to need or at least want a good electronic controller. The point is, Im trying to figure out what supporting hardware I need to put into the motor before the ultimate teardown/buildup with a larger turbo. I mean....the only things I want to leave for the end are a better turbo manifold, intake manifold and the enginer internals/build up. Everything else, the I/C, injectors, computer (Greddy e-manage, no stand alones), exhaust, intercooler piping, clutch, etc etc. Where to start?
check out buchurrracing and look at their stages.. good guide on how to start (ie stage 0 first, then stage1 2, 3, 4 ect ....)
plus they have done them to their car and dyno'd it already so you can see the results
plus they have done them to their car and dyno'd it already so you can see the results
I figure, exhaust, Greddy emanage with profec e01, then proceed to do all the bolt on thing. The point is, I figure I can squeeze 5 in change out of the motor when its rebuilt by this local place (Ross pistons, Eagle rods), spin the motor to 8500 revs with a forced performance turbo. I have a whole plan, but the key is getting all the highest performance bolt on stuff, no custom fab and no problems with backward compatibility. Hence no stand alone units.
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If you're the tuner (hardcore) sort, wait for the Autronic plug and play module. I predict that real soon the stock ECU will be flashable with various programs and will be a good compromise. Or wait for the TurboXS UTEC to come out.
I really wonder what the deal is with the Mitsu ECU, when fairly crude piggy backs (AFC) are picking up so much HP. That's cool and all, but I wonder when a real OEM ECU retune will show up. From what I gather from people using the Techtom hardware - that's not the current solution.
I really wonder what the deal is with the Mitsu ECU, when fairly crude piggy backs (AFC) are picking up so much HP. That's cool and all, but I wonder when a real OEM ECU retune will show up. From what I gather from people using the Techtom hardware - that's not the current solution.
the guys from ultimate racing are using the e-manage with much success. As far as the piggy back, I've been using a PC3R on my motorcycle (cornered the market) which is basically the only way to do anything with the injection. No problems there, not really concerned with the cool factor or the reliability of the ECU reflash.
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If you want to do everything at once and not upgrade the components you have already upgraded...wait for the ecu situation to straighten out. I have used AEM on a civic before and if worked damn good...I expect that to be the prefered way to go soon. Not to mention you can run a loud *** bov!
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If you REALLY want a big build-up you need to start planning ahead and picking up a dual stage clutch (Exedy is really nice, and DRC Imports has some in stock), ARP head studs and Al recommends beefing up the stock 8mm rod bolts with Pruven's 10mm bolts.
After that, you're bulletproof for serious horsepower. Then look at the HKS EVC V or Greddy Profec B II for electronic boost control, the Greddy E-Manage with ignition and injector harnesses (or a standalone such as AMS if it's available by then), 3" turbo-back exhaust, HKS 272/272 cams (get these on order - they disappear fast), bigger intercooler such as Pruven or AMS, injectors + fuel pump and adjustable fuel pressure regulator, then you're really set for the big turbo. HKS 3037 appears to be a high quality choice, but AMS / Buschur and other shops will have their kits out soon as well. It's an exciting time
After that, you're bulletproof for serious horsepower. Then look at the HKS EVC V or Greddy Profec B II for electronic boost control, the Greddy E-Manage with ignition and injector harnesses (or a standalone such as AMS if it's available by then), 3" turbo-back exhaust, HKS 272/272 cams (get these on order - they disappear fast), bigger intercooler such as Pruven or AMS, injectors + fuel pump and adjustable fuel pressure regulator, then you're really set for the big turbo. HKS 3037 appears to be a high quality choice, but AMS / Buschur and other shops will have their kits out soon as well. It's an exciting time
avatar, pretty much what i was thinking. Im basically doing that in reverse, as I dont have the money to rebuild the motor anytime soon. But, I plan on buying the best of the best for what I can make work with a stock motor, basically readying it for a bigger motor and turbo. ultimate racing sells the e-manage with the profec e01 and the harness'. This makes everything where I need it, as the profec e01 also controls the e-manage, has multiple modes and is multi tasker.
Originally posted by feldguy
avatar, pretty much what i was thinking. Im basically doing that in reverse, as I dont have the money to rebuild the motor anytime soon. But, I plan on buying the best of the best for what I can make work with a stock motor, basically readying it for a bigger motor and turbo. ultimate racing sells the e-manage with the profec e01 and the harness'. This makes everything where I need it, as the profec e01 also controls the e-manage, has multiple modes and is multi tasker.
avatar, pretty much what i was thinking. Im basically doing that in reverse, as I dont have the money to rebuild the motor anytime soon. But, I plan on buying the best of the best for what I can make work with a stock motor, basically readying it for a bigger motor and turbo. ultimate racing sells the e-manage with the profec e01 and the harness'. This makes everything where I need it, as the profec e01 also controls the e-manage, has multiple modes and is multi tasker.
