View Poll Results: Which one do you like better
DYNO FLASH (PROUVEN)
50
44.64%
XEDE (VISHNU)
62
55.36%
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DYNOFLASH (Pruven) Vs. XEDE (VISHNU)
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From: My name is Ananda Robinson.Stupid people should be killed. i live in Maryland
Originally posted by vr430
I voted for EXEDE - the more logical option for the rest of the people .
I voted for EXEDE - the more logical option for the rest of the people .
Originally posted by Turbo-Weapon
Actually the most logical choice would be to put a wide band your car and tune it yourself.
Actually the most logical choice would be to put a wide band your car and tune it yourself.
Now we have used the flash device and we are starting to do the first beta customers tomorrow.
simply put the flash offers a perfect solution to EVO 8 tuning.
For anyone staying under 450 whp it is going to be the best posssible way to go.
Frankly, we would not be getting involved with promoting a product to our brother evo owners unless it was something we really thought was the best on the market.
What the dyno flash offers you is 20 x 19 real time - accurate fuel and ign mapping with NO undesired effects on other areas of the ecu operation (unlike a piggy back). This means when we take out fuel your ignition timing is not changing - as in a piggy back. This means we have real load based tuning. There are no part throttle high boost problems like you have with a piggy back becuase it is NOT something that only kicks in under full gas.
We retain the original factory back up 2nd fuel and ign maps which kick in while your car is warming up and when it gets dangerously hot. All factory saftey features are retained - except the high boost fuel cut which we can take out or leave in at customer request.
rev limit increase to customer specs and ARP rold bolt install is available. (We recomend the ARP rod bolts if you want to go over 7800 rpm)
Boost control.
No wire cutting. Free reflashes back to stock at any time. No problems with your warranty.
Simply put - with a piggy back you are trying to trick the ecu to do what you need. Sometimes you suceed and sometimes you have unintended results which often the tuner does not even realize. Always, you have trade off and compromise. With the re flash we tell the ecu what to do and it does exactly what it is programed to do. Nothing could be more accurate.
Unlike a full stand alone, we retain all features, functions and driveability of the stock ecu. I have alerady made over 500 whp on the stock ecu and maf sensor and I am confident in recomending the dyno flash to anyone who is planning to stay under 450 whp. For anyone over 450 whp I recomend you check out the AEM.
As far as pricing goes. I think our pricing is very fair. Considering the hour of dyno time with a wide band o2 sensor, nd the instalation costs of most piggy backs our pricing is very comparable and our dyno flash is superior in function to any piggy back system in every respect.
simply put the flash offers a perfect solution to EVO 8 tuning.
For anyone staying under 450 whp it is going to be the best posssible way to go.
Frankly, we would not be getting involved with promoting a product to our brother evo owners unless it was something we really thought was the best on the market.
What the dyno flash offers you is 20 x 19 real time - accurate fuel and ign mapping with NO undesired effects on other areas of the ecu operation (unlike a piggy back). This means when we take out fuel your ignition timing is not changing - as in a piggy back. This means we have real load based tuning. There are no part throttle high boost problems like you have with a piggy back becuase it is NOT something that only kicks in under full gas.
We retain the original factory back up 2nd fuel and ign maps which kick in while your car is warming up and when it gets dangerously hot. All factory saftey features are retained - except the high boost fuel cut which we can take out or leave in at customer request.
rev limit increase to customer specs and ARP rold bolt install is available. (We recomend the ARP rod bolts if you want to go over 7800 rpm)
Boost control.
No wire cutting. Free reflashes back to stock at any time. No problems with your warranty.
Simply put - with a piggy back you are trying to trick the ecu to do what you need. Sometimes you suceed and sometimes you have unintended results which often the tuner does not even realize. Always, you have trade off and compromise. With the re flash we tell the ecu what to do and it does exactly what it is programed to do. Nothing could be more accurate.
Unlike a full stand alone, we retain all features, functions and driveability of the stock ecu. I have alerady made over 500 whp on the stock ecu and maf sensor and I am confident in recomending the dyno flash to anyone who is planning to stay under 450 whp. For anyone over 450 whp I recomend you check out the AEM.
As far as pricing goes. I think our pricing is very fair. Considering the hour of dyno time with a wide band o2 sensor, nd the instalation costs of most piggy backs our pricing is very comparable and our dyno flash is superior in function to any piggy back system in every respect.
Last edited by DynoFlash; Sep 28, 2003 at 08:49 PM.
Just for curiosity and to prove a point - i wonder how many of the so called "expert" TOONERS of Evo 8s out there even know what the Stock EVO 8 ign timing map looks like ???? Without really knowing EXACTLY what the stock timing map is and without knowing how maf atenuations with a piggy back effect that timing curve - I think they are like the blind leading the blind
I DEFY any of these so called master tooners to post up here what they think the stock ign timing curves look like
If there are no responses by wed I ill post up my screeenshot with the actual evo 8 us ign timing curve figure in numerals - but then youll know where the info came from
I DEFY any of these so called master tooners to post up here what they think the stock ign timing curves look like
If there are no responses by wed I ill post up my screeenshot with the actual evo 8 us ign timing curve figure in numerals - but then youll know where the info came from
Last edited by Alfriedesq; Sep 29, 2003 at 06:55 AM.
Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Just for curiosity and to prove a point - i wonder how many of the so called "expert" TOONERS of Evo 8s out there even know what the Stock EVO 8 ign timing map looks like ???? Withoutt really knowing EXACTLY what the stock timing ma is and without knowing how maf atenuations with a piggy back effect that timing curve - I think they are like the blind leading the blind
I DEFY any of these so called mater tuners to post up here what thet think the stock ign timing curves look like
If there are no responses by wed I ill post up my screeenshot with the actual evo 8 us ign timing curge figure in numerals
Just for curiosity and to prove a point - i wonder how many of the so called "expert" TOONERS of Evo 8s out there even know what the Stock EVO 8 ign timing map looks like ???? Withoutt really knowing EXACTLY what the stock timing ma is and without knowing how maf atenuations with a piggy back effect that timing curve - I think they are like the blind leading the blind
I DEFY any of these so called mater tuners to post up here what thet think the stock ign timing curves look like
If there are no responses by wed I ill post up my screeenshot with the actual evo 8 us ign timing curge figure in numerals
Eric
I agree with the notion that reflashing is the way to go for somebody who wants a little more power and drives the car on the street. What you're really buying is the knowledge of the tuner. Think of the complexity of three variables, A/F, ignition timing and boost over the full range of throttle, load, temperature and the interaction of the variables with each other. Getting a good working answer is going to be harder for a street car than a racer since the racer is interested in WOT.
So it comes down to the skill and knowledge of the tuner. What is Dynoflash bringing to the table?
So it comes down to the skill and knowledge of the tuner. What is Dynoflash bringing to the table?
Originally posted by Dale_K
I agree with the notion that reflashing is the way to go for somebody who wants a little more power and drives the car on the street. What you're really buying is the knowledge of the tuner. Think of the complexity of three variables, A/F, ignition timing and boost over the full range of throttle, load, temperature and the interaction of the variables with each other. Getting a good working answer is going to be harder for a street car than a racer since the racer is interested in WOT.
So it comes down to the skill and knowledge of the tuner. What is Dynoflash bringing to the table?
I agree with the notion that reflashing is the way to go for somebody who wants a little more power and drives the car on the street. What you're really buying is the knowledge of the tuner. Think of the complexity of three variables, A/F, ignition timing and boost over the full range of throttle, load, temperature and the interaction of the variables with each other. Getting a good working answer is going to be harder for a street car than a racer since the racer is interested in WOT.
So it comes down to the skill and knowledge of the tuner. What is Dynoflash bringing to the table?
Eric
Originally posted by Dale_K
I agree with the notion that reflashing is the way to go for somebody who wants a little more power and drives the car on the street. What you're really buying is the knowledge of the tuner. Think of the complexity of three variables, A/F, ignition timing and boost over the full range of throttle, load, temperature and the interaction of the variables with each other. Getting a good working answer is going to be harder for a street car than a racer since the racer is interested in WOT.
So it comes down to the skill and knowledge of the tuner. What is Dynoflash bringing to the table?
I agree with the notion that reflashing is the way to go for somebody who wants a little more power and drives the car on the street. What you're really buying is the knowledge of the tuner. Think of the complexity of three variables, A/F, ignition timing and boost over the full range of throttle, load, temperature and the interaction of the variables with each other. Getting a good working answer is going to be harder for a street car than a racer since the racer is interested in WOT.
So it comes down to the skill and knowledge of the tuner. What is Dynoflash bringing to the table?
Our position is that much less "guess work" is required to tune the Evo 8 with our reflash machine becuase the adjustments are real time and exact. On the other hand we feel that piggy back tuning is much like taking a shot in the dark, the tuner has no idea what the factory maps are, and has little idea of how the changes they are making are effecting the factory settings.
While any tune involves trade offs and compromise - we feel that the reflash is the best system or foundation to use to make tuning adjustments and that the reflash allows for the highest degree of saftey and performance through accutracy and speed of operation.
Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Dyno Flash brings to the table a BEFORE and AFTER dyno sheet with af ratio a money back guarantee if you dont like the results. Also the people working at Dyno Flash myself included - all have track records of long involvement and success in awd turbo tuning and our results and records on the dyno and race track speak volumes of our exerience and dedication to tuning
Our position is that much less "guess work" is required to tune the Evo 8 with our reflash machine becuase the adjustments are real time and exact. On the other hand we feel that piggy back tuning is much like taking a shot in the dark, the tuner has no idea what the factory maps are, and has little idea of how the changes they are making are effecting the factory settings.
While any tune involves trade offs and compromise - we feel that the reflash is the best system or foundation to use to make tuning adjustments and that the reflash allows for the highest degree of saftey and performance through accutracy and speed of operation.
Dyno Flash brings to the table a BEFORE and AFTER dyno sheet with af ratio a money back guarantee if you dont like the results. Also the people working at Dyno Flash myself included - all have track records of long involvement and success in awd turbo tuning and our results and records on the dyno and race track speak volumes of our exerience and dedication to tuning
Our position is that much less "guess work" is required to tune the Evo 8 with our reflash machine becuase the adjustments are real time and exact. On the other hand we feel that piggy back tuning is much like taking a shot in the dark, the tuner has no idea what the factory maps are, and has little idea of how the changes they are making are effecting the factory settings.
While any tune involves trade offs and compromise - we feel that the reflash is the best system or foundation to use to make tuning adjustments and that the reflash allows for the highest degree of saftey and performance through accutracy and speed of operation.
I will be at pruven next week and if your there I would like to talk to you about a few things.
Eric
Originally posted by Daveyd
Any timeframe for posting before/after dyno results and when this is going to be available to the general public?
Any timeframe for posting before/after dyno results and when this is going to be available to the general public?
So the reflash adjusts the A/F ratio as well as boost control? Does it hold boost to redline or does it taper off? What are typical performance gains one can expect? What are the differences between this and say the WORKS reflash with boost control (when it comes out)?
Originally posted by Daveyd
So the reflash adjusts the A/F ratio as well as boost control? Does it hold boost to redline or does it taper off? What are typical performance gains one can expect? What are the differences between this and say the WORKS reflash with boost control (when it comes out)?
So the reflash adjusts the A/F ratio as well as boost control? Does it hold boost to redline or does it taper off? What are typical performance gains one can expect? What are the differences between this and say the WORKS reflash with boost control (when it comes out)?
I have no idea what Works does for boost control so I can't compare
Dyno Flash just eliminates the boost taper - however - we recomend a EBC as an upgrade (if its in your budget)
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