I am pretty much on the same page as you. Everything is just pure idle speculation, even from so called "reliable sources". The only info I now trust is directly from Mitsubishi themselves. Unfortunately, that does not include Mitsubishi dealerships. I actually think the dealerships exacerbate the problem. Mainly because they are perceived(in most cases) to be a decent source of information in regards to the release of new vehicles. It is generally assumed that they have access to better and more accurate information sooner than everyone else. This has been proven to not be the case and I believe that they are now misleading people(whether intentional or not is still up in the air).

I have personally spoken with over 20 Mitsubishi dealerships, and each and every one has given me different and conflicting information. So bad that I cannot trust anyone anymore.

I would caution everyone that although it is certainly entertaining and perhaps enlightening to explore the different options that may or may not be available on the upcoming Evo, and also fun to share what you are "hearing" out there, please be sure not to make any final conclusions in regards to any information found here, as there is a very HIGH probability that it is completely wrong. The only reason I mention this is because I have seen completely false rumors taken as truth, and some bad reactions to these "bad" rumors that seemed to influence the potential buyers eventual decision.

I guess the best guide is to use common sense and a bit of logic. If anything either sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't. And if anything sounds vastly contrary or different than what we have heard from Mitsu themselves it probably isn't true either.

All that being said, what Greddy has listed pretty much conforms to what Mitsu has already released, so I would say that it is a good confirmation of things to come(Thanks Greddy for taking the time to share). The interesting "fact" is they are reporting 5000 will be produced. To me that sounds rather low, and could be initially used as a way to motivate people to go out and buy one immediately for fear of not getting one(the old "limited supply" market trick). It could also cause people to vastly overpay. I would further caution people against accepting this as fact. Suffice to say that if the Evo is a "hit", Mitsu will be sure to provide enough cars for everyone in due time. I refuse to pay thousands of dollars over MSRP just to own a car a month sooner than everyone else.

Mordeth

 

agree I do...patience we must have...then Evo8 drive we will.

No way I'm paying over MSRP, unless Japan has a huge earthquake (not even hugely unlikely, unfortunately) and Mitzu can't make 'em any more. Ooooooo....I shouldn't have even SAID that!

 

I'm just commenting that wouldn't wsj's article on evo's producing 4k be more accurate than a dealership claiming that it's 5k? When was the 5k info given to him?

 

Didn't SCC dyno the euro spec (or is it JDM?) EVO7??
I think it was in the 250's...

 

Chassis or engine?

Dyno testing an AWD vehicle is a questionable science at best. I wouldn't trust any form of chassis dyno on an AWD vehicle, and FWD/RWD chassis dynos are good for back-to-back comparison's sake only.

If they (either SCC or their source) pulled the engine out and only got 250ish, I'd question that test as well - especially if there was a tuner involved.

 

I totally understand where you are coming from bro. I wouldn't consider the person I got this info from a dealer though. He just owns the places, he doesn't sell them and we are friends, he is giving it to me straight up from Mitsubishi's mouth. And he just got back from this unvieling less than a week ago, so the information these dealerships gave you probably were guesses because this info has come out within the last week. I mean hell Mitsu could be shoveling it to the owners/dealerships but this is straight from Mitsu.

I am just trying to point out I would trust this gentleman personally because he is a family friend and could care less about a sale to myself. He did not mention anything to me about it being EVO VII or VIII. I will try and pick his brain for any other technical specs on the car.

 

Oh yeah sorry, I am located in Northwest Ohio and we have a Tri-state Area here. Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. We call that the Tri-state area here also, just not as known as the Jersey area

 

5K is a lot of Evos when there are only 10 -12K made worldwide. SOA sold 24K WRXs in 12 months in the US alone as a comparison.


That was HP at the wheel. Again for comparison the WRX rated at 227hp gets around 167 at the wheels on their Dynopack.

Erik

 

Yup.. in the SCC mag... EVO dynoed at 247hp?? at the wheels..
whiled the modded WRX dynoed 207hp... (they claimed to have 51hp
more on the WRX over stock form)
(I have to check the numbers to make sure)...

But using these numbers from WRX.. it's around 25-28% drivetrain loss..
apply the same 25% loss to 247hp... we get... 330hp???? WOW..

 

A dyno questionable science?! I don't think so..they are very reliable to measure ALOT of things such as hp, torque, air/fuel mixtures, etc. When I dyno tuned my Mustang I picked up 30+ horsepower across the whole powerband because I was running rich. How can you say an engine or chassis dyno isn't reliable? I will agree you can get slightly different #'s from one type of dyno machine to another but I have never seen anymore than 2-3% difference.
Hey Greddy GS-T,
They also consider Cincinnati Ohio and the area around us the tri-state area. Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana. Hell the greater Cincinnati airport is actually in Kentucky!

 

You guys need to relax a little I think.. Everybody and there brother can say "I heard this from a reliable source" Just sit back and wait for her to get here, then we can all form a line at the showroom drooling through the window..... The only statement I know is true out of the original post is "PRICE GOUGING" If sticker says 29,000 you gonna be paying AT LEAST 32,000 or your not gonna get one, that simple. So just sit back relax and wait for her to arrive until then get all exciting about another "RUMOR" isn't worth it (IMO)

 

my parts guy must have received extra info on the evo, cause (and he may be full of **** as most parts guys are) he is creating a new fuel mapping for the US evo so it will run more smoothly and add a couple hp.....yeah, that would be cool, but i thought mitsu chips were next to impossible to hack into.....he must be full of it... btw he is the Modesto, ca parts guy...Randy i think.....lets all call him and make him admit he is full of ****

 

Last time I checked, Mustangs aren't AWD. I stated that AWD chassis dynos are questionable, mainly due to the difficulty presented by LSDs and having 2 rollers.

A RWD chassis dyno is fairly accurate, but really is only valid for back-to-back testing. In other words, run a pull, swap a part, run a 2nd pull and compare.

Engine dynos are about as scientific as you get, which is why they are reliable. However they're also a major pain in the rear because you have to pull the engine out along with all the trimmings - not an easy task. Manufacturers have it a bit easier of course. My last comment was not questioning the engine dyno, but rather the source - I've seen plenty of tuners who fudge their dyno plots.

Sorry for the confusion.

Greddy - where in Ohio do you live (or where is the dealer)?

 

so what, is only getting 5.000 Lan-Evos to the States

 

I think 5000 would probably be enough. 5000 cars is usually plenty for all those that would want the car to get it. Most years the Cobra Mustang production was around that #. When I bought my ZX2 S/R (special race package) there were only 2000 madeyet they still seemed readily available.