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Considering a change
Hey guys I'm new to this forum and have a few questions. I'm thinking about switching over to a turbo'd 4 banger and there is no question the 4G63 is the baddest motor on the block. I currently have an 05 CTS-V but every aftermarket part comes with the Caddi tax and that **** gets old quick, especially when i see cars with $10,000 under the hood running mid-high 12's. Not for me. Since i definitly want a 4G63 I'm not interested in the new ones, Evo XIII or IX is the way for me.
What should I expect to pay for a well kept / maintained EVO with light mods.
Also (more importantly) what should i expect to run in the 1/4?
How much power does it take to blow a stock diff? I was in my friends 97 eclipse GSX with around 600WHP when he blew his diff and all the wheels locked up at 80mph. That is something i never want to relive again especially if the car is mine.
Is there anything else i need to be aware of when going into this? Are there notorious issues with evo's?
Is anyone interested in a trade?
I DO NOT WANT YOUR FREINDS CAR THAT WAS BUILT IN THE GARAGE WHILE SMOKIN A DOOBIE. If you think its fast cause it has 35 LBS of boost with out supporting mods i'm not interested. I'd rather have a car with a built top and bottom end than one with a massive turbo and stock internals.
Let me know if you have any questions and any advise is appreciated!
Thanks,
Brian
What should I expect to pay for a well kept / maintained EVO with light mods.
Also (more importantly) what should i expect to run in the 1/4?
How much power does it take to blow a stock diff? I was in my friends 97 eclipse GSX with around 600WHP when he blew his diff and all the wheels locked up at 80mph. That is something i never want to relive again especially if the car is mine.
Is there anything else i need to be aware of when going into this? Are there notorious issues with evo's?
Is anyone interested in a trade?
I DO NOT WANT YOUR FREINDS CAR THAT WAS BUILT IN THE GARAGE WHILE SMOKIN A DOOBIE. If you think its fast cause it has 35 LBS of boost with out supporting mods i'm not interested. I'd rather have a car with a built top and bottom end than one with a massive turbo and stock internals.
Let me know if you have any questions and any advise is appreciated!
Thanks,
Brian
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Stay under 500 whp on the stock block, anything more than that and its time to build it, price will range with miles mods year etc, but I would start looking around the 20k mark for a well kept fairly low mile one, personally I would try to stay away from nodded ones, mod it yourself so there are no suprises and so you build it exactly to what you want, do your research and take your time. You will find a good one 
I come from a 32 Valve Mustang Cobra... Since you are also coming from a V8 perhaps my analysis of the cars will match your desires.
For one, get an Evo IX with a 5spd.....
The Evo X is slower than the IX in a straight line.
The Evo X has a known issue with failing differential pins when adding power.
The Evo X downgraded to a crappy plastic clutch master cylinder. Stronger clutches will break it.
The Evo X is 242lbs heavier. (3527lbs while the IX is 3285lbs)
The Evo X gets 2mpg worse on both city and highway rating. (17/23 vs 19/25)
The Evo X has AYC which is known as yaw control. Anyone getting serious will be flashing the ACD (active center diff) which disables the AYC. So you don't need AYC and that special differential is more expensive to replace while also being slightly weaker and you'll disable it anyway to *improve* the car.
Despite the X being known as a softer car, a few people still think the IX interior is more comfortable especially if you are not a big person.
Coming from a V8, you will not want the Evo 8. Compared to the IX it has a smaller turbo, and most importantly no MIVEC (variable cam timing). MIVEC is what you want since it gives the small 2.0 engine a nice off-boost throttle response and will be closer to what you expected from a V8 when it comes to low-rpm torque.
MIVEC also lets you have streetable power from large turbos that normally would be too laggy to appreciate on the street. So if you plan to *ever* change the turbo, I would recommend starting with MIVEC. Evo 8 guys usually just upgrade to a larger 2.3 or 2.4 motor to spool the turbo quickly. Not a bad plan just more cost.
The IX cam is really stout compared to the VIII cam. 400awhp is capable on the stock turbo and cams on the IX. The VIII will need to swap cams and lose some drivability. Also note that MIVEC allows larger cams to be used on the IX while keeping a smooth idle. The VIII's are harder to idle correctly with large cams.
Compared to any V8 you've driven, I don't think you will care about handling differences between the different Evos. Any of them will probably put a big smile on your face the first time you drive them. No V8 car I ever had comes even close to the Evo's handling.
2005 and 2006 model years received ACD, or Active Center Differential. I think this is much better than the viscous differential used on the previous 03/04 years. People can now flash the car to change handling dynamics using this system. It improves traction in slippery surfaces and can "let go" of the rear wheels when using the handbrake.
Coming from another guy who was a bit "curious" about leaving the V8 world, don't let the looks or sound throw you off. Do not compare the Evo to any other 4cylinder car you raced in your V8, boosted or otherwise. The Evo is different and rather unique compared to other cars. You *REALLY* have to drive one to understand it. I know they look like Econocars to someone used to judging a vehicle by it's looks. Seriously go drive one before you decide on something else.
When I had my Cobra and test drove the IX I bought, I was expecting this gutless machine with an on-off switch for power. I was surprised (quite actually) how much low end torque this little 2.0 puts out. I drove home to think about the purchase in my Cobra and found it sluggish feeling after driving the Evo. It was such a better car that I lost all love for my Cobra after that test drive. I really liked how the Evo could build nice power in 5th gear to pass where my Mustang needed a downshift.
I think personally an IX is the best fit for anyone jumping ship from a V8. The other Evo's are bit softer on the acceleration front. The VIII can be made to have the same power, but the area under the curve will be smaller without MIVEC or a bigger motor. The X can also be built up but it will be more costly to keep up with a bolt-on IX.
That's my writeup. Hopefully it helps you. I'm sure someone will disagree about something I've said here.
For one, get an Evo IX with a 5spd.....
The Evo X is slower than the IX in a straight line.
The Evo X has a known issue with failing differential pins when adding power.
The Evo X downgraded to a crappy plastic clutch master cylinder. Stronger clutches will break it.
The Evo X is 242lbs heavier. (3527lbs while the IX is 3285lbs)
The Evo X gets 2mpg worse on both city and highway rating. (17/23 vs 19/25)
The Evo X has AYC which is known as yaw control. Anyone getting serious will be flashing the ACD (active center diff) which disables the AYC. So you don't need AYC and that special differential is more expensive to replace while also being slightly weaker and you'll disable it anyway to *improve* the car.
Despite the X being known as a softer car, a few people still think the IX interior is more comfortable especially if you are not a big person.
Coming from a V8, you will not want the Evo 8. Compared to the IX it has a smaller turbo, and most importantly no MIVEC (variable cam timing). MIVEC is what you want since it gives the small 2.0 engine a nice off-boost throttle response and will be closer to what you expected from a V8 when it comes to low-rpm torque.
MIVEC also lets you have streetable power from large turbos that normally would be too laggy to appreciate on the street. So if you plan to *ever* change the turbo, I would recommend starting with MIVEC. Evo 8 guys usually just upgrade to a larger 2.3 or 2.4 motor to spool the turbo quickly. Not a bad plan just more cost.
The IX cam is really stout compared to the VIII cam. 400awhp is capable on the stock turbo and cams on the IX. The VIII will need to swap cams and lose some drivability. Also note that MIVEC allows larger cams to be used on the IX while keeping a smooth idle. The VIII's are harder to idle correctly with large cams.
Compared to any V8 you've driven, I don't think you will care about handling differences between the different Evos. Any of them will probably put a big smile on your face the first time you drive them. No V8 car I ever had comes even close to the Evo's handling.
2005 and 2006 model years received ACD, or Active Center Differential. I think this is much better than the viscous differential used on the previous 03/04 years. People can now flash the car to change handling dynamics using this system. It improves traction in slippery surfaces and can "let go" of the rear wheels when using the handbrake.
Coming from another guy who was a bit "curious" about leaving the V8 world, don't let the looks or sound throw you off. Do not compare the Evo to any other 4cylinder car you raced in your V8, boosted or otherwise. The Evo is different and rather unique compared to other cars. You *REALLY* have to drive one to understand it. I know they look like Econocars to someone used to judging a vehicle by it's looks. Seriously go drive one before you decide on something else.
When I had my Cobra and test drove the IX I bought, I was expecting this gutless machine with an on-off switch for power. I was surprised (quite actually) how much low end torque this little 2.0 puts out. I drove home to think about the purchase in my Cobra and found it sluggish feeling after driving the Evo. It was such a better car that I lost all love for my Cobra after that test drive. I really liked how the Evo could build nice power in 5th gear to pass where my Mustang needed a downshift.
I think personally an IX is the best fit for anyone jumping ship from a V8. The other Evo's are bit softer on the acceleration front. The VIII can be made to have the same power, but the area under the curve will be smaller without MIVEC or a bigger motor. The X can also be built up but it will be more costly to keep up with a bolt-on IX.
That's my writeup. Hopefully it helps you. I'm sure someone will disagree about something I've said here.
Last edited by acidtonic; Sep 12, 2011 at 12:48 PM.
Nice Write Up Man.
I come from a 32 Valve Mustang Cobra... Since you are also coming from a V8 perhaps my analysis of the cars will match your desires.
For one, get an Evo IX with a 5spd.....
The Evo X is slower than the IX in a straight line.
The Evo X has a known issue with failing differential pins when adding power.
The Evo X downgraded to a crappy plastic clutch master cylinder. Stronger clutches will break it.
The Evo X is 242lbs heavier. (3527lbs while the IX is 3285lbs)
The Evo X gets 2mpg worse on both city and highway rating. (17/23 vs 19/25)
The Evo X has AYC which is known as yaw control. Anyone getting serious will be flashing the ACD (active center diff) which disables the AYC. So you don't need AYC and that special differential is more expensive to replace while also being slightly weaker and you'll disable it anyway to *improve* the car.
Despite the X being known as a softer car, a few people still think the IX interior is more comfortable especially if you are not a big person.
Coming from a V8, you will not want the Evo 8. Compared to the IX it has a smaller turbo, and most importantly no MIVEC (variable cam timing). MIVEC is what you want since it gives the small 2.0 engine a nice off-boost throttle response and will be closer to what you expected from a V8 when it comes to low-rpm torque.
MIVEC also lets you have streetable power from large turbos that normally would be too laggy to appreciate on the street. So if you plan to *ever* change the turbo, I would recommend starting with MIVEC. Evo 8 guys usually just upgrade to a larger 2.3 or 2.4 motor to spool the turbo quickly. Not a bad plan just more cost.
The IX cam is really stout compared to the VIII cam. 400awhp is capable on the stock turbo and cams on the IX. The VIII will need to swap cams and lose some drivability. Also note that MIVEC allows larger cams to be used on the IX while keeping a smooth idle. The VIII's are harder to idle correctly with large cams.
Compared to any V8 you've driven, I don't think you will care about handling differences between the different Evos. Any of them will probably put a big smile on your face the first time you drive them. No V8 car I ever had comes even close to the Evo's handling.
2005 and 2006 model years received ACD, or Active Center Differential. I think this is much better than the viscous differential used on the previous 03/04 years. People can now flash the car to change handling dynamics using this system. It improves traction in slippery surfaces and can "let go" of the rear wheels when using the handbrake.
Coming from another guy who was a bit "curious" about leaving the V8 world, don't let the looks or sound throw you off. Do not compare the Evo to any other 4cylinder car you raced in your V8, boosted or otherwise. The Evo is different and rather unique compared to other cars. You *REALLY* have to drive one to understand it. I know they look like Econocars to someone used to judging a vehicle by it's looks. Seriously go drive one before you decide on something else.
When I had my Cobra and test drove the IX I bought, I was expecting this gutless machine with an on-off switch for power. I was surprised (quite actually) how much low end torque this little 2.0 puts out. I drove home to think about the purchase in my Cobra and found it sluggish feeling after driving the Evo. It was such a better car that I lost all love for my Cobra after that test drive. I really liked how the Evo could build nice power in 5th gear to pass where my Mustang needed a downshift.
I think personally an IX is the best fit for anyone jumping ship from a V8. The other Evo's are bit softer on the acceleration front. The VIII can be made to have the same power, but the area under the curve will be smaller without MIVEC or a bigger motor. The X can also be built up but it will be more costly to keep up with a bolt-on IX.
That's my writeup. Hopefully it helps you. I'm sure someone will disagree about something I've said here.
For one, get an Evo IX with a 5spd.....
The Evo X is slower than the IX in a straight line.
The Evo X has a known issue with failing differential pins when adding power.
The Evo X downgraded to a crappy plastic clutch master cylinder. Stronger clutches will break it.
The Evo X is 242lbs heavier. (3527lbs while the IX is 3285lbs)
The Evo X gets 2mpg worse on both city and highway rating. (17/23 vs 19/25)
The Evo X has AYC which is known as yaw control. Anyone getting serious will be flashing the ACD (active center diff) which disables the AYC. So you don't need AYC and that special differential is more expensive to replace while also being slightly weaker and you'll disable it anyway to *improve* the car.
Despite the X being known as a softer car, a few people still think the IX interior is more comfortable especially if you are not a big person.
Coming from a V8, you will not want the Evo 8. Compared to the IX it has a smaller turbo, and most importantly no MIVEC (variable cam timing). MIVEC is what you want since it gives the small 2.0 engine a nice off-boost throttle response and will be closer to what you expected from a V8 when it comes to low-rpm torque.
MIVEC also lets you have streetable power from large turbos that normally would be too laggy to appreciate on the street. So if you plan to *ever* change the turbo, I would recommend starting with MIVEC. Evo 8 guys usually just upgrade to a larger 2.3 or 2.4 motor to spool the turbo quickly. Not a bad plan just more cost.
The IX cam is really stout compared to the VIII cam. 400awhp is capable on the stock turbo and cams on the IX. The VIII will need to swap cams and lose some drivability. Also note that MIVEC allows larger cams to be used on the IX while keeping a smooth idle. The VIII's are harder to idle correctly with large cams.
Compared to any V8 you've driven, I don't think you will care about handling differences between the different Evos. Any of them will probably put a big smile on your face the first time you drive them. No V8 car I ever had comes even close to the Evo's handling.
2005 and 2006 model years received ACD, or Active Center Differential. I think this is much better than the viscous differential used on the previous 03/04 years. People can now flash the car to change handling dynamics using this system. It improves traction in slippery surfaces and can "let go" of the rear wheels when using the handbrake.
Coming from another guy who was a bit "curious" about leaving the V8 world, don't let the looks or sound throw you off. Do not compare the Evo to any other 4cylinder car you raced in your V8, boosted or otherwise. The Evo is different and rather unique compared to other cars. You *REALLY* have to drive one to understand it. I know they look like Econocars to someone used to judging a vehicle by it's looks. Seriously go drive one before you decide on something else.
When I had my Cobra and test drove the IX I bought, I was expecting this gutless machine with an on-off switch for power. I was surprised (quite actually) how much low end torque this little 2.0 puts out. I drove home to think about the purchase in my Cobra and found it sluggish feeling after driving the Evo. It was such a better car that I lost all love for my Cobra after that test drive. I really liked how the Evo could build nice power in 5th gear to pass where my Mustang needed a downshift.
I think personally an IX is the best fit for anyone jumping ship from a V8. The other Evo's are bit softer on the acceleration front. The VIII can be made to have the same power, but the area under the curve will be smaller without MIVEC or a bigger motor. The X can also be built up but it will be more costly to keep up with a bolt-on IX.
That's my writeup. Hopefully it helps you. I'm sure someone will disagree about something I've said here.
On a stock block, early power is dangerous power. Late(laggy) power is less stressful.
Rich power is safer than lean power.
Since there is no clear failure line, I'd rather look at it by longevity.
350ft/lbs is quite safe.
375ft/lbs is okay if you have a good tune and consistently good gasoline.
390ft/lbs is nearing what I would run personally, unless it hits later than roughly 4400rpm.
400ft/lbs is starting to cut into the longevity if the tune isn't spot on. Can be dangerous if something goes wrong with fuel, heat, etc.
420ft/lbs is pushing your luck. Longevity will suffer.
450ft/lbs Brave soul.
475ft/lbs Start shopping, a rebuild is in your future.
500ft/lbs Good luck! Come back to brag if it doesn't break! (yet)
You can go higher with horsepower but keep it below 450whp unless it's really late hitting power and the tune is spot on. I wouldn't personally go any higher than at myself. Sure you can go higher, things won't last as long though. I don't want to pray everytime I floor it!
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Coming from a V8, you will not want the Evo 8. Compared to the IX it has a smaller turbo, and most importantly no MIVEC (variable cam timing). MIVEC is what you want since it gives the small 2.0 engine a nice off-boost throttle response and will be closer to what you expected from a V8 when it comes to low-rpm torque.
MIVEC also lets you have streetable power from large turbos that normally would be too laggy to appreciate on the street. So if you plan to *ever* change the turbo, I would recommend starting with MIVEC. Evo 8 guys usually just upgrade to a larger 2.3 or 2.4 motor to spool the turbo quickly. Not a bad plan just more cost.
The IX cam is really stout compared to the VIII cam. 400awhp is capable on the stock turbo and cams on the IX. The VIII will need to swap cams and lose some drivability. Also note that MIVEC allows larger cams to be used on the IX while keeping a smooth idle. The VIII's are harder to idle correctly with large cams.
MIVEC also lets you have streetable power from large turbos that normally would be too laggy to appreciate on the street. So if you plan to *ever* change the turbo, I would recommend starting with MIVEC. Evo 8 guys usually just upgrade to a larger 2.3 or 2.4 motor to spool the turbo quickly. Not a bad plan just more cost.
The IX cam is really stout compared to the VIII cam. 400awhp is capable on the stock turbo and cams on the IX. The VIII will need to swap cams and lose some drivability. Also note that MIVEC allows larger cams to be used on the IX while keeping a smooth idle. The VIII's are harder to idle correctly with large cams.
I gotta ask, did you test drive a 8? what are you basing your opinions of the 8 on, general forum opinion? Or a decent, lengthy, test drive?
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Some great info here. I also hail from the former v8 owners club. You will not be disappointed going to an Evo even if you only love straight line speed. The Evo is a very capable straight line brawler, especially anywhere traction is an issue. I predict however that you will notice the most differences in your ability to handle turns at high speed. Evo IX is probably the best bet as MIVEC makes a large difference, and as mentioned above you probably want to stick to the 5 spd trans models unless you are willing to pay for a built 5 spd swap. The 6 spds are pretty frail.
I really don't have any negative opinions of the 8. Lacks MIVEC, larger stock turbo, and ACD on 03/04. Otherwise it's still an Evo and not much behind the IX in reality. They handle similar. It's mostly about MIVEC and the 8 doesnt have it.
Coming from a much larger displacement engine requires in my opinion, everything possible to bump low end torque and increase spool. I know *I* had high expectations when thinking about giving up 8 cylinders and 32 valves for 4 cylinders and 16 valves. I'm not saying the 8 is crap or anything. MIVEC is a game changer to me. Why give up spool if you don't have to? I had plans to someday run a bigger turbo, I want it to spool as fast as absolutely possible while still having 450-600hp potential. No hard feelings to the 8 here. The X is the one I *don't* think he will like. But if he's into cruisers and less straight line, the X may be more appealing. Who knows. I'm just trying to help out
Last edited by acidtonic; Sep 12, 2011 at 06:35 PM.
I like the writeup acidtonic. I can't speak for the evo IX, because I own a 8 but from my personal experience, look for a stock evo that has been taken care of, I am sure they exist. Mine has quite a few outstanding issues to include one cylinder with 20 psi less than the other 3.
To add my .02:
My roommate has a 2005 GTO (6.0L v8) and my first car was a 95 Cobra, so im familiar with muscle cars.
What you will miss:
-Low end power. There is no way to make considerable amounts of torque on a 4-cylinder unless it's a subaru engine (but they have their other downfalls). You know what a v8 kick feels like from 1500 and you simply won't get that kick in an evo until the turbo spools. yadda yadda you can downshift, but what i'm talking about is like a 5mph first-gear roll and when you punch it, it's just not the same
-instant power. turbo's do spool quickly (especially the stock 9 turbo), but there's a slight difference between a 50-80 pull on the freeway in a turbo and a v8. this isn't a bad thing, most of the time it's not an issue because you can downshift, and be in boost almost instantaneously, it's more of a side-note
things you won't miss:
-gas mileage? I get 23-24 mpg with 14 miles freeway, 4 miles city commute (one-way). if i decide to have fun on a tank of gas it's usually around 21-22 mpg. i'm not someone who needs boost all the time, my daily shifts are at 3.2k average and normally that's not in boost. i can't imagine the cts-v gets much worse mpg, but i would make a bet that the evo will get better
in comparison to my roommates gto:
-i'm at 340whp on 22psi with 92 octane (mbc, turbo back 3" resonated test pipe, intake and tube, lower intercooler piping
-he's an estimated (never dyno'd or tuned since he got the car) 370-400rwhp on 92 octane (long tube headers, catless, corsa exhaust, lingenfelter intake)
my car will pull just as hard as his car up to about 65-70, and probably pulls harder from a 30-60 pull in second. if we do a freeway pull there really isn't much competition for long as his car will keep pulling hard until much later than the evo. honestly, at that speed it doesn't matter which you're in, you will be flying in either car
now reading over that i'm not sure the whole point, but i assure you won't be disappointed with the evo. if you've never driven a real turbo-charged 4-cylinder you will be stunned at what they're capable of. evo's are no laughing matter like the civics and integras etc that you see
My roommate has a 2005 GTO (6.0L v8) and my first car was a 95 Cobra, so im familiar with muscle cars.
What you will miss:
-Low end power. There is no way to make considerable amounts of torque on a 4-cylinder unless it's a subaru engine (but they have their other downfalls). You know what a v8 kick feels like from 1500 and you simply won't get that kick in an evo until the turbo spools. yadda yadda you can downshift, but what i'm talking about is like a 5mph first-gear roll and when you punch it, it's just not the same
-instant power. turbo's do spool quickly (especially the stock 9 turbo), but there's a slight difference between a 50-80 pull on the freeway in a turbo and a v8. this isn't a bad thing, most of the time it's not an issue because you can downshift, and be in boost almost instantaneously, it's more of a side-note
things you won't miss:
-gas mileage? I get 23-24 mpg with 14 miles freeway, 4 miles city commute (one-way). if i decide to have fun on a tank of gas it's usually around 21-22 mpg. i'm not someone who needs boost all the time, my daily shifts are at 3.2k average and normally that's not in boost. i can't imagine the cts-v gets much worse mpg, but i would make a bet that the evo will get better
in comparison to my roommates gto:
-i'm at 340whp on 22psi with 92 octane (mbc, turbo back 3" resonated test pipe, intake and tube, lower intercooler piping
-he's an estimated (never dyno'd or tuned since he got the car) 370-400rwhp on 92 octane (long tube headers, catless, corsa exhaust, lingenfelter intake)
my car will pull just as hard as his car up to about 65-70, and probably pulls harder from a 30-60 pull in second. if we do a freeway pull there really isn't much competition for long as his car will keep pulling hard until much later than the evo. honestly, at that speed it doesn't matter which you're in, you will be flying in either car
now reading over that i'm not sure the whole point, but i assure you won't be disappointed with the evo. if you've never driven a real turbo-charged 4-cylinder you will be stunned at what they're capable of. evo's are no laughing matter like the civics and integras etc that you see
I've driven an 8 but it was after I bought my IX. I already decided that the IX would be my first drive since I was researching it heavily. The 8 was an 05 with ACD and it drove almost identical to my IX besides slightly worse throttle response. It was tuned and making slightly more power than my IX but did feel like it had more lag. Stock turbo/stock cams with exhaust and a tune. Just like my IX.
I really don't have any negative opinions of the 8. Lacks MIVEC, larger stock turbo, and ACD on 03/04. Otherwise it's still an Evo and not much behind the IX in reality. They handle similar. It's mostly about MIVEC and the 8 doesnt have it.
Coming from a much larger displacement engine requires in my opinion, everything possible to bump low end torque and increase spool. I know *I* had high expectations when thinking about giving up 8 cylinders and 32 valves for 4 cylinders and 16 valves. I'm not saying the 8 is crap or anything. MIVEC is a game changer to me. Why give up spool if you don't have to? I had plans to someday run a bigger turbo, I want it to spool as fast as absolutely possible while still having 450-600hp potential. No hard feelings to the 8 here. The X is the one I *don't* think he will like. But if he's into cruisers and less straight line, the X may be more appealing. Who knows. I'm just trying to help out
I really don't have any negative opinions of the 8. Lacks MIVEC, larger stock turbo, and ACD on 03/04. Otherwise it's still an Evo and not much behind the IX in reality. They handle similar. It's mostly about MIVEC and the 8 doesnt have it.
Coming from a much larger displacement engine requires in my opinion, everything possible to bump low end torque and increase spool. I know *I* had high expectations when thinking about giving up 8 cylinders and 32 valves for 4 cylinders and 16 valves. I'm not saying the 8 is crap or anything. MIVEC is a game changer to me. Why give up spool if you don't have to? I had plans to someday run a bigger turbo, I want it to spool as fast as absolutely possible while still having 450-600hp potential. No hard feelings to the 8 here. The X is the one I *don't* think he will like. But if he's into cruisers and less straight line, the X may be more appealing. Who knows. I'm just trying to help out
I'm coming from a V8 as well, I used to drive a modded LT1 trans am, that and a AWD T5 s40. Both good vehicles, but nothing compared to the Evo. I've got a MR, so the 16g is the bigger 10.5 hot side turbo, the spool is relatively quick, boost kicks in about 500 rpms lower than the smaller 16g. If the OP could find either, I'd say go for it. If you can find a nice low mileage, lightly modded (or not at all) 8, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I wasn't, and I'm glad I did. That being said, if he's looking for something with a bit more low end grunt, the mivec 9 might be a better option.
Thank you for the reply, I was just genuinely curious. I've never been in a stock 9, so I have nothing to base it on compared to my 8. (the 8 I bought was bone stock when I got it).
I'm coming from a V8 as well, I used to drive a modded LT1 trans am, that and a AWD T5 s40. Both good vehicles, but nothing compared to the Evo. I've got a MR, so the 16g is the bigger 10.5 hot side turbo, the spool is relatively quick, boost kicks in about 500 rpms lower than the smaller 16g. If the OP could find either, I'd say go for it. If you can find a nice low mileage, lightly modded (or not at all) 8, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I wasn't, and I'm glad I did. That being said, if he's looking for something with a bit more low end grunt, the mivec 9 might be a better option.
I'm coming from a V8 as well, I used to drive a modded LT1 trans am, that and a AWD T5 s40. Both good vehicles, but nothing compared to the Evo. I've got a MR, so the 16g is the bigger 10.5 hot side turbo, the spool is relatively quick, boost kicks in about 500 rpms lower than the smaller 16g. If the OP could find either, I'd say go for it. If you can find a nice low mileage, lightly modded (or not at all) 8, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I wasn't, and I'm glad I did. That being said, if he's looking for something with a bit more low end grunt, the mivec 9 might be a better option.