could it be because my balance shaft belt is shredded into pieces, causing the entire crank to not be able to spin?

 

Doubtful, that the balance shaft belt shredded or not is the cause. Unless for some reason it broke and wedged the crank sprocket and snapped the keyway off. Now the crank sprocket will free spin on the crank. Try to turn the crankshaft by hand and see if the cams move. This will tell you if the problem lies in the lower cover area on the crank/t belt side or if there is actually an issue on the flywheel side. But that's doubtful, but not entirely impossible. The keyway that is being referred to is a small piece of metal that helps line up the sprocket to the crankshaft. Keep us posted and take some pics if you can.

 

thanks for the reply legacydestroyer,

The the cams do move when i turn the crank, thats how i was able to line up my timing marks on the cam gears.... If that is the case, I want to make a guess that the problem lies in somewhere on the flywheel side...?

I will post some photos/do a couple more test when i get to it later tonight,

thanks again!

 

Well that's a good sign at least if the cams and crank are moving together. Now we need to know if all is in time, if not, exactly how far off. Like it was said in an earlier post, one tooth is no biggie, the car would still run. Only other thing, maybe pop the valve cover off and try to crank it and make sure both cams are turning. I've seen cams snap before.

I have seen flywheel "rings" sheer off of the wheel themselves and when you would try to start the car, the wheel wouldn't turn, just the ring with the teeth that engages to the starter would turn. But I can't remember off hand if on our car's flywheels, if the teethed ring is welded onto the flywheel or just cast as part of it. So this may be useless. Just trying ideas that are coming to mind for you. You can get someone to turn it over, either by had or starter, and peek up in the hole for release bearing access to see if the flywheel and clutch assy is turning during the cranking process.

 

Maybe who ever redid the clutch did not tighten the flywheel bolts properly then the bolts would come out ..... That could be the noise that you heard but the car would not shut off you would just lose complete transmission operations.... Just take the starter off litterly it will take you 20-30 mins tops and you will see if the flywheel is on there Or not.

 

Damn sorry to hear about all the trouble your having with the car. Hopefully the crank is okay

 

Thanks, i had the same thing running through my head about the flywheel teeth. I did remove the starter and checked to see if i could see anything, everything looks fine, i cant seem to move the flywheel with my hand, but i think thats normal. I am going to grab a buddy and hopefully check to see if the flywheel turns during the cranking process.

thanks!

The flywheel is there, took the starter and check-plate off, It looks to be in normal shape....

Thanks... Hopefully i'll get it up and running and see you EVO guys in queens NY more often...

 

sounds like I am beating a dead horse... I know case in point, i need to drop the transmission and see what is wrong. But just trying to see if anyone can throw more inputs out there with the information I gathered....

So tonight I did a short test, put the car in gear and turned the crank manual by hand. I was able to turn about 1 to 2 full rotation before it stopped turning... I then pop in the car and push the clutch down and it moved a little bit....

Soooo good thing is... i narrowed it down to, problem is clutch/flywheel issue.. butt.... I don't think i should have been able to turn the crank a full rotation before stopping... correct me if i am wrong but if i am in gear, shouldn't I NOT be able to turn the crank at all. Its weird that the crank stops turning after a full rotation...

 

Have you completely checked that the balance shaft belt is still there and turning? Probably need to take the belt off and inspect that all the teeth are there. Sounds like your are getting some kind of interference.

 

mithrandir- I havn't confirmed that the balance shaft belt is completely there still or not. But I have read that if there is no balance shaft belt, the engine should still start up

 

UPDATE!

So I lied to everyone here.... turns out crank does move the timing belt and the camshafts. I opened the cam cover, and find my rocker-arms broken and off the lifters.....


I dont get what exactly could have happpend?.. The timing looks perfectly fine..


My friend said it may have been a lifter failure..

Any inputs? Should I just get a rebuilt head or try to install new lifters and rockers?

 

Ive seen that before and the valve got bent and hit the pistons . Happened to the customer because he miss-shifted into the wrong gear and over revved it . Try and reinstallnew/or same rockers and do a compression test .

 

Btw in the pictures they do not look broken, take them out , unbolt all the cam cams on a cam(Do one cam at a time) pull and bleed the lifters and reinstall the rockers .

 

4 broke and 4 are good still, Just ordered a set of Topline lifters and 4 new rockers. Hopefully this will solve it, I'll do a compression test right after i get them in.

Could this have happened from jumpped timing? what could have cause this? I didnt overrev the car, just drove the car normal

 

Just an update.... and a question for you Evo gurus while I am at it....

New lifters and rocker arms came in, and I am in the process of replacing them. (crossing my fingers that this is the only issue ) Since my balance belt shredded into pieces, I figure why not change my timing belt and water pump while I am taking everything off anyways.

Before I remove everything, I want to confirm that i didnt jump timing... If anyone could tell me if I am reading this correctly it would be supeerrr helpful!

I've been reading about changing the timing belt... and I am slightly confused about where the mark is on the crankshaft gear and how where it should roughly line up with the lower timing belt cover.

I circled what i think is suppose to be the marking.


The picture you see above is the exact position of the crank when the camgear marking is matched up with the markings on the valve cover marking.



So both photos are taken at the exactly the same position.... I hope that makes sense....

I read DIY stating that the crankshaft "mark" should line up with the "T" on the cover... but it doesnt seem like the case for mine... it lines up with the T on "BTDC"

Thanks in advance guys