Update 6.23.2014***

So I got my hands on a new clutch slave cylinder this afternoon and swapped it out, the old one didn't look shot at all and I checked all the lines which don't have any leaks and this didn't fix the problem.

When I swapped out the slave the issue with the hard pedal went away and the pedal would not build pressure after bleeding it a ton of times.

What I did notice is the clutch fork should be pushing against the slave cylinder piston and its not but I can move it with my hand... considering that the car is lowered there is no way that I can get underneath to see if the TOB has broken or something has happened to it or of the ACT Monoloc has failed for some reason.

Before swapping out the slave if I pushed the pedal quite hard and tried to nicely put it into first the car would want to move forward so I'm willing to bet its a TOB issue which is blowing my mind because I have the ACT Monoloc which from what I understand is supposed to prevent this stuff from happening...

Interested to hear these things:

- Has anyone ever experienced something like this?
- What is the potential worst case that I could be looking at damage wise?
- Has anyone heard of the ACT Monoloc failing? I cant find links or info about this....

Thanks




Original Post -=====>Hi All,

So I know that the clutch dropping to the floor is typically the slave cylinder taking a crap but I have never experienced what happened to me yesterday.

I was driving and the clutch dropped, while I was still rolling I reached down and pulled the pedal back up and tried to see if I could switch gears and the pedal is really hard, I was able to go from 4th to 3rd basically on a smooth rev match and then I was lucky enough to be in a parking lot where I stopped safely.

My question is that I thought when it drops you can pick it up and when you push it again the same thing will happen and it will drop to the floor effortlessly rather than what happened to me and it being hard as hell to push.

When I push to a certain point and try to engage the car wants to move forward while running so I am assuming that my TOB is safe due to the fact that I have the ACT Monoloc installed as well but I'm not 100% sure about this.

Anyone ever experience this before? Any feed back would be great, ridiculous how a $20 part that basically NO ONE carries can keep you from driving around...

Thanks again

 

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Did you check for leaks? I had a leak on the clutch line, check the reservoir

 

Same exact thing just happened to me. My TOB broke in half and my pedal would not move after if initially dropped to the floor. At the time I didn't have a monoloc installed, but I'm not sure if that would make a difference. Look in the service holes on the trans and see if your TOB is still intact.

 

Thanks for the info, I cant get to the bottom one to check considering how low the car is... Its getting checked out tomorrow by a reputable shop by me.

What kind of damage resulted from the TOB splitting? What speed where you going when it happened and does this come into play with potential damage?

 

If you seriously won’t get your car in the air to see what’s going on why should we put effort in trying to help? Not trying to be a dick but you’re never going to get any ware and are wasting your time. Need to drive it up on some 2x4's and then slide a jack under. Drive it up on a curb idc. There could be quite a few things wrong that you need to start eliminating.

 

So if your looking at the transmission from the front of your car is the clutch fork pushed towards the passenger side? If it is try to push it back toward the drivers side and if you cant do that no matter how hard you try than lucky you your going to have to pull the tranny off. hope that helps and have fun.

 

All I had to do was pull the trans and replace the TOB. Although while I was in there I rebuilt my clutch, but that wasn't a necessity. Luckily swapping out the TOB is simple once you get the trans out so it isn't a huge deal. Evomoto has a write up that will spoon feed the whole process to you. It happened to me at cruising speed, went to downshift for a turn and the pedal dropped to the floor.

 

You are the perfect example of someone who should just not post if you are not going to be helpful.

I'm not in a position with an arsenal of tools to get under the car being that my house is over an hour from where the car is and anyone who goes under a car just with using a jack and no jack stands is a fool.

If you read my post you would see that I said I'm brining it to a shop today that will get it in the air and I'm going from there.

Looking from the front of the car the fork is pushed to the passenger side, I moved it a bit with my hand but didn't try cranking on it with all that I have. When I pushed it over it did move a bit but didn't go back to where it should be which is placing pressure on the slave cylinder piston.

I can't imagine pushing the fork back as hard as I can would fix this issue, am I wrong about this? Also, would the fork not putting pressure on the piston prevent me from bleeding the system because I couldn't build pressure, I don't think this would cause a problem with bleeding the slave...

 

You really gotta top off the reservoir when bleeding the clutch. I had trouble until i figured that out. If the fork is all the way to the passenger side then your TOB is probably not engaged with the pressure plate. If pulling it towards the drivers side does not lock it back in then you are probably going to have to pull it apart.

 

Do you really think the shop is going to care what you have to say when you tell them what people said on evom? If so more power to ya, good luck!

 

Being an informed customer is never a bad thing. The more you know the less likely you are to get ripped off. If the shop tries to tell him its his transfer case he will know they are probably not to be trusted.

 

so is it pushed all the way to the passenger side like right against the transmission its self? if thats the case than the TOB popped off and either have to try and push it to the drivers side so its against the slave again and if that doesnt fix it than you need pull the tranny off and nothing else you do will fix it without taking the tranny off.

 

Didnt know that, the slave is not the issue and they will sort out the bleeding and pressure issue.

Do you really think that I really care about anything that you post anymore. I'm very mechanically inclined and this is something that has simply not happened to me and Evom is a forum to learn and hear about other people's experiences which is exactly what I am trying to do rather than read stupid comments from people like you who think they know it all.

Exactly, I know what the potential problems are and just looking to hear about others experiences since this hasnt happened to me before

Yes, all the way to the left (if looking directly at the car), I tried pulling it back over to see if it would pop in this morning before towing it and it didnt work. The shop that I brought it too thinks that the lock for the TOB is broken or popped off, they cant get to the car for a week so I will have to wait to find out for sure what is going on.

On a final note, DSMolition, stop posting in my thread.