Notices
Evo General Discuss any generalized technical Evo related topics that may not fit into the other forums. Please do not post tech and rumor threads here.
Sponsored by: RavSpec - JDM Wheels Central

Not even a shop knows what's wrong with my car 😔😔😔😔

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:01 AM
  #31  
2winscroll's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 816
Likes: 82
From: wisconsin
Originally Posted by benIX
I bought the cams brand new and had 100 miles on them before they blew. How ever my exhaust can was little damaged so I send it to American can and they fixed it and polished it. Other the. That the cams were used before with no issues.
Exhaust can? Cam? Polished? A little damaged? Well there ya go. There is no such thing as a camshaft a little damaged. Base circle of the cam must be round to within .0005" inch. If there was a nick or a ding in the cam that was polished out, that's more than likely your issue.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:15 AM
  #32  
2winscroll's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 816
Likes: 82
From: wisconsin
Originally Posted by kaj
I'm surprised you are getting much sealing if the engine is that new. The rings probably aren't even worn in, I'd think.
kikiturbo could be right: Once the engine is running and the lifters fill, the valves could be stuck open. If you have new valves and they didn't grind them to fit, that could be the problem.
That's one of many possibilities.. and one of the hardest to check.
Understand the concept of hydraulic lifters, oil pressure fills the lifter and holds it against the camshaft. When the lobe comes around and pushes it open the oil doesn't compress. When the valve is closed the lifter is in constant contact with the lobe, but this part of the cam is round so the valve doesn't open. If there is a low spot even .0005" your done. Once the lifter gets past the low spot on the cam it will hold the valve open ever so slightly. It don't take much since the rocker ratio exaggerates the bad spot in the cam.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:21 AM
  #33  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,634
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted by 2winscroll
Understand the concept of hydraulic lifters...
I do.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:24 AM
  #34  
2winscroll's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 816
Likes: 82
From: wisconsin
Bleeding the lifters fixes the issue, so that's why I don't think your valve stem clearance is the issue. Besides as soon as the car cooled down your valves would seal back up.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 03:53 PM
  #35  
benIX's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 244
Likes: 1
From: california
Originally Posted by 2winscroll
Understand the concept of hydraulic lifters, oil pressure fills the lifter and holds it against the camshaft. When the lobe comes around and pushes it open the oil doesn't compress. When the valve is closed the lifter is in constant contact with the lobe, but this part of the cam is round so the valve doesn't open. If there is a low spot even .0005" your done. Once the lifter gets past the low spot on the cam it will hold the valve open ever so slightly. It don't take much since the rocker ratio exaggerates the bad spot in the cam.
Is there a way to check and see if my cam is ok? the shop that did my cam told me that everything was true and within spec. i have the GSC Billet S2 cams. i still have the stock cam should i try swapping that in and see if that will fix my issue?

"Quote
Bleeding the lifters fixes the issue, so that's why I don't think your valve stem clearance is the issue. Besides as soon as the car cooled down your valves would seal back up."

I have done compression test when my car was cold like a day latter and i still got the same result. doesn't the lifters bleed themselves when there is no oil pressure in them? few knows shops that i have called are all pointing towards the valve stem height. i will measure the valve stem height before i take the head off so if that is not the issue i don't have to take anything apart.

Last edited by benIX; Mar 29, 2017 at 04:00 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 04:53 PM
  #36  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,634
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Compression tests don't often work well on cold engines, though.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 06:17 PM
  #37  
2winscroll's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 816
Likes: 82
From: wisconsin
If it was the stem height bleeding the lifter would not have fixed the issue. Plunger would be bottomed out in lifter if it was a stem height issue. To make absolutely sure it's not a sticking valve you could make sure the cylinder has no compression then check between the camshaft and the rocker rollers with a .002 feeler gage ( some sets go down to .0015) if you can fit a feeler between any of the rollers at TDC on the compression stroke for that cylinder, it's the valve sticking open. Look for loose lifters when the rockers aren't up on the lobes.

Note: you should run the engine for a couple of seconds right before you do this

Last edited by 2winscroll; Mar 29, 2017 at 06:26 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2017 | 06:24 PM
  #38  
2winscroll's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 816
Likes: 82
From: wisconsin
We will see but I bet they ****ed up the cam when they polished it. Has the cylinder head had new valves and guides installed? When it blew up was it the #1 cylinder with damage?
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2017 | 12:02 AM
  #39  
benIX's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 244
Likes: 1
From: california
Originally Posted by 2winscroll
We will see but I bet they ****ed up the cam when they polished it. Has the cylinder head had new valves and guides installed? When it blew up was it the #1 cylinder with damage?
Yes everything is new in the head besides the lifters and all are GSC products and jiggly HLA.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2017 | 05:42 AM
  #40  
2winscroll's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 816
Likes: 82
From: wisconsin
Originally Posted by benIX
Yes everything is new in the head besides the lifters and all are GSC products and jiggly HLA.
Well if that is the case it certainly could be the valve stem clearance is to tight causing the valve or valves to stick slightly open. This happens when the engine heats up, the valve stem expands causing it to stick in the guide. Usually when the engine cools the valve closes, but not always. Do the above checks.
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2017 | 04:13 AM
  #41  
RightSaid fred's Avatar
Account Disabled
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 714
Likes: 22
From: in a garage
Originally Posted by kaj
Compression tests don't often work well on broken engines, though.
I fixed it for you.
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2017 | 04:40 AM
  #42  
2winscroll's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 816
Likes: 82
From: wisconsin
Originally Posted by benIX
Yes everything is new in the head besides the lifters and all are GSC products and jiggly HLA.
As you can tell from my avatar, I too am a big fan of Jiggly products!
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2017 | 05:47 AM
  #43  
GTijoejoe's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 2,110
Likes: 12
From: Ohio
Originally Posted by kaj
Compression tests don't often work well on cold engines, though.
unless you get 0 psi

Depends on what you're trying to find
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2017 | 01:09 PM
  #44  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,634
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted by GTijoejoe
unless you get 0 psi

Depends on what you're trying to find
true dat. Should be SOMETHING there.
Reply
Old Feb 19, 2018 | 07:28 PM
  #45  
benIX's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 244
Likes: 1
From: california
So an update I finally figured out what the problem was. What happened when I blew my motor my exhaust cam was damaged so I send it to a cam shop to get it fixed apparently they didn’t get it right. I swapped it out for a used cosworth I had and whala it worked like a charm so I oedered a gsc exhaust cam and got compression on all cylinders. Just wanted to let you guys know about my find. Thanks everyone for the helpful tips
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:04 PM.