Not trying to bash.. but I am not sure you are getting 99.8% of the potential out of the car. Are you a professional race care driver?.... cause I would argue that even the best driver in the world isn't gonna get 100% out of a car. Most people probably get 60-70%.. professionals, will probably get 95% out of the car.

 

Regardless, the thread isn't about how good the MR is. We all know that. It's about people complaining about all the new choices and other things available for 05.

 

no way i am totally waiting for the 05!!!Nothing more would **** me off than to have someone with a lil better car than mine at the stop light ie 03/04 vs 05. I thought only the MR had a 6 speed and the base 05 maintains a 5 speed. The tranny is worth waiting a few more months for. Maybe if ya type it out it will convice ya that you did the right thing. I say if anyone is stuck inbetween wait if ya waited this long....05 are better for probably the same price as someone will pay for an 04 IMO...i love evo 03's, 04's and 05's nuff said!!

 

The reality is, for less money than your going to loose on trade in and upgrade, I can add that sort of performance to my '03. Aftermarket parts are very abundant for the '03.

If you are buying the MR to keep it stock, or as some sort of status symbol, I would understand. But to say that those extra things are worth not only the wait but the financial loss is silly IMO.

BTW, I've seen several people run 12.9 - 13.1 in stock '03s in the 1/4. And there is just not enough power in that car to warrant the 6 speed. It's all a matter of opinion though.

..jab

 

Man that's funny! Guess what's gonna happen 6-8 months after you get your '05 MR? The '06 MR will be anounced and you'll be in the same situation you just mentioned. Sitting at a light looking at a "better" MR. EVOLUTION. Look up the word. Do you really believe mistu is going to stop developing after the '05 MR? Read a couple posts up, you'll be like "man, I should have waited for that '06 MR cuz it has the Mivec and more upgrades".

But if you wanna be the cool cat on the block for a few months cool.

If you want to try and allways have the newest and best evo you better have deep pockets. Cuz the innovation isn't going to stop just cuz you got an '05 MR.

 

I guess I put that the wrong way. Lets just say that I've been road racing/tracking and teaching HPDE for 16 years, and I will be able to take advantage of improvements on the 05 cars. (I'd really like to see what that AYC is like)

I have to disagree with you on your percentage ranges. A ham-fisted moron in a stock car can get 90% of the lap time a seasoned pro would get in the same car. That last bit of speed requires an expontenial increase in talent.

 

You mean ACD?

 

I mean yaw control, or are we even getting that?

 

I race autox and trust me lsd and acd would be a huge benefit for quicker times. I have lost time in some turns due to the lack of a front lsd. The MR and RS are great out of the box cars for those wanting to run in AS ( A stock) where only very minimal mods are allowed. A good portion of Evo's that are bought are autox'd or tracked occasionally

 

acctual the tires on the mr are the exact same that are on the stock evo!

 

Here is a comparison for everyone. In that r&t issue they also test another evo 0-60 in 5.6 and 1/4 mile in 14.2 (whatever that's about) in the same magazine they got the 0-60 in 4.3 and 1/4 mile in 12.9 in the mr. The numbers as for hp and tq. for the mr were 285 bhp and 295 lbs. of tourqe somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Also a couple hundred lbs lighter and 3 lbs less per rim. Does'nt really matter though because a exhaust, mbc, flash can do that.

 

i bought my evo a year ago for 29000 and where i live they sell used for 26000-27000. i would like to meet someone who can add an extra gear, acd, lsd, aluminum roof, wheels that are three puonds lighter each, bilstine shocks, and a larger turbo for less than three thousand dollars. plus i've never heard of a stock evo running 12.9 i would like to see that. aftermarket parts are the same for the mr as they are for the current evo.

 

.88 skidpad for an Evo is B.S. Every article I've read has it at .96 or higher.

 

just stating what road and track got on a stock evo, plus in sport compact there were modified evos doing less than .96 on the skidpad

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...0406scc_evo03/- vishnus car pulled.93

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...0406scc_evo05/- thats with ohlins coilovers

 

Of all the trims up for grabs, I'm very happy with my '04 RS. I think given all the choices, 03 through 05, this is the one I pick.

It has everything I need. Nothing I don't. I don't want the active diff. It's just more complicated technology that I don't need. I like the intercooler spray. More power is good, but remember that it doesn't make much on paper. In practise, people say the 10 bhp or so feel a lot more powerful according to the butt dyno.

If I really gripe, the only thing that I would really want in my RS is the roof, but I'm not that pressed to save an extra couple of pounds to the point of driving myself crazy. And even if I got the roof in the '05, I'd still have to put up with a lot of options I don't want.

Although this car isn't really a perfect car according to what I want, and let's face it, no car is perfect according to what we really want , it comes pretty damn close. I've driven just about every car available for sale in the U.S., and I feel that the '04 RS delivers the most of what I really want in a car.

It has excellent performance. Take it for what it's worth and work on refining your driving skills.

Besides, no matter how good your car is, there will always be another car that is faster on paper. That's just a fact. The kicker is, however, that just because it's faster on paper doesn't mean it's going to be faster with you driving it! Different people have different preferences, and the car has to be fine-tuned to the driver, not the other way around.

So quit complaining about what you don't have. Start enjoying what you do have. How many people you know have Evos? They're really nice car that can blow the doors off any exotic car. Start polishing your skills and then set up the car to your taste.

Let's face it. You can modify any Evo to make 500 bhp, but you can't buy one from the factory. At least not yet anyway