Speeding Ticket? You're kidding me?!?
Speeding Ticket? You're kidding me?!?
Okay, still ticked off after getting my first ticket with the Evo - I was driving towards a moving police car traveling in the opposite direction, and he tags me for doing 59 in a 40, saying he got me with a rear radar. First he was moving, and second, rear radar?!? Are these things for real?? If so, I'm gonna have to see if my court will let me do the traffic school...
Yeah they are real but they really dont use them. When i got my ticket they tried telling me that the car is equipped with front and back radar so i would loose if i fought it. But on the ticket the cop put approxiamte speed indicateing there was no clocked speed from a radar.
yes their is actually rear radar they like to use it whyll they are parked normaly but it still works when they are moveing. sorry for the bad news go in say you were speeding and see if they could get ride of the points or what ever else.. good luck with court.
Just bought the Escort Passport 8500 X50 (blue lights 
) off ebay so I'll have that soon. In the meantime, I'm hoping my court will accept traffic court so it won't appear on my record. If not, I'll just try my luck with the court thing...
) off ebay so I'll have that soon. In the meantime, I'm hoping my court will accept traffic court so it won't appear on my record. If not, I'll just try my luck with the court thing...
Last two days:
HA! Got pulled over doing 85 in a 65 and got off with a warning! WooooooT!
Then today, I'm driving the car, not really speeding (50 in a 45) but my car sounds like it's ready to take off, and I'm driving past a college cop (not checking for speeding). The bastard pulls behind me and turns on his lights, I know he didn't have a radar gun and he wasn't timing me with vascar, so I kept driving waiting for him to pull closer behind me. His lights are still on, and I'm just getting ready to pull over, since he's not going to pull close up behind me. And I'm thinking in my head about what I'm going to say, "How could you tell that I was speeding? I know you don't have a radar gun, and I know you weren't using vascar, so my car being loud is now a crime? It's a street legal exhaust system with a catayltic convertor." Apparently, he decided it was a waste of time and turned off his lights! Ha!
HA! Got pulled over doing 85 in a 65 and got off with a warning! WooooooT!
Then today, I'm driving the car, not really speeding (50 in a 45) but my car sounds like it's ready to take off, and I'm driving past a college cop (not checking for speeding). The bastard pulls behind me and turns on his lights, I know he didn't have a radar gun and he wasn't timing me with vascar, so I kept driving waiting for him to pull closer behind me. His lights are still on, and I'm just getting ready to pull over, since he's not going to pull close up behind me. And I'm thinking in my head about what I'm going to say, "How could you tell that I was speeding? I know you don't have a radar gun, and I know you weren't using vascar, so my car being loud is now a crime? It's a street legal exhaust system with a catayltic convertor." Apparently, he decided it was a waste of time and turned off his lights! Ha!
That sucks man, I got a speeding ticket a month after I got my evo, and ironically the same day the the car payment, and insurance were due. Speeding, and unsafe lane change... Yeah, two in fractions. I'll never mess around at night again. I wonder if I go to court, and if I argue that my car was begging me to do it will work, and get it dismissed....I dunno. This other guy was trying to race me, so they pulled him over too. After they gave me my ticket I left, and decided to go for a drive, and he was up on a tow truck. Stupid guy got out of the car, and the cops told him to get back in. I got off the past two times I ever got pulled over in my old car. If your nice, admit you were wrong, and don't act like a *****, they might be cool about it, if your stupid, jump out of your car, argue with them, and deny something you clearly did wrong, your screwed. I know a cop that lives across the street. They are dealing with *******s all day, they don't know who you are. For all they know, your a phsyco with a gun.
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Both my brothers and I have been ticketed with my red evo. Me, I deserved that ticket for driving too fast (85 mph at night in a 65mph zone). Him though, he was only tagging along. A few cars were passing him by, but the cop decided that the red car with the coffee table on the truck was more worthy of a ticket. Nowadays, unless I go to the drag strip, I rarely go faster than the next guy. Seems like cops love to stop evos.
kero - call the district justice and ask what you can do to get it either reduced, or get out of the points, etc......
Normally they are pretty nice....it all depends on your driving record.... if you are pretty clean they may be damn nice about it.....
goodluck.
Normally they are pretty nice....it all depends on your driving record.... if you are pretty clean they may be damn nice about it.....
goodluck.
bored... saved an article bout radar. read if u want... dont complain... and er... repost shut up. i think all is covered right?
We'll start with Radar. How radar works is when the radar device is pointed at your vehicle, it emits a radio waves on a particular frequency (I'll explain how important for you this frequency is later). These radio waves eventually travel to your vehicle, and bounce off, returning to the radar device on a different frequency. In theory, this change in frequency is directly proportional to how fast you are traveling. The radar devide merely calculates this difference, and comes up with an estimated speed. In order for the radar to work properly, it must be pointed DIRECTLY at you. There can be no obstructions in the way ie: other cars, bushes, trees, rocks etc. The device must also be relatively close to you in order to insure that it's reading your speed and not another vehicle's. Radar does not emit an even, narrow, direct beam, but instead is more like a sprinkler or headlight. It is emitted from the device, and spreads out wider and wider over a distance. It's proven that at only one eighth of a mile from the standard unit, a radar beam will be around 4 lanes wide, and sometimes wider. So if your speeding ticket is based on radar, make sure you ask the officer "How far away from me were you when you "clocked" me if you don't mind my asking?" If there was enough space, he could very well have clocked someone in a different lane, or even on the other side of the road.
In addition to all this, radar based speed reading devices have a tendancy to read speeds of bigger objects rather than smaller ones, so if there is some bigger truck near you, he may cause you to get a speeding ticket when you were only traveling the speed limit due to the fact that the radar device read the speed of the truck behind you, but the officer tickets you because you were in front. I've also read in a radar training manual (don't ask how I got it) that sometimes the radar unit can read the speed of blowing dust, branches, rain, leaves etc. So if you were ticketed under these conditions, you might have ample reason to get your ticket dismissed.
Now the how get ammo to fight the pigs. Far too many people think that if they get a radar ticket, thats means: pay, end of story. This couldn't be further from the truth. There are a vast amount of opportunities that will present themselves for you to get out of a radar ticket. First off, there are certain things that are a matter of public record and that you have a right to know and sometimes see. Radar is a VERY sensitive piece of machinery, and as such, it is VERY vulnerable to other variables causing it to be innacurate. If you can raise a reasonable doubt that any of these variables were involved with your ticket, the radar reading becomes inadmisable in court, and your case will have a VERY good chance of being dismissed.
If you get a radar ticket for exceeding a posted speed limit, make sure you find out if there has been a recent traffic and engineering survey taken on that road. Most often, they must be updated every 5 years in order to be valid. What they do is measure the speed of 85% of the traffic, and from this average, is supposed to be the basis of which speed limits are made. Often times, an officer CANNOT use radar for the purpose of ticketing people if there is not an up to date copy of the traffic and engineering survey present with him in court. Remember, the judge and the pig are friends, and they are expecting you not to know your **** when you show up in court so often times the judge will not ask the pig for this document, so its up to you to make sure you ask for it if the judge doesn't. In many places, the court will permit you to actually request the data that makes up these surveys, therefore, if your so inclined (like myself) you can often challenge the city's accuracy on the survey itself.
Most of these surveys are conducted using one of those remote radar trailers. I'm sure you've seen them around, they look like little boxes mounted onto a trailer with a little screen that shows you how fast your going. The main pain in the *** is the fact that when most people see these things they slam on their brakes because they think there is a little camera that will take a picture of their liscense plate and ticket them in the mail. This is NOT true. What IS true, is often times a pig will sit a little after one of these and radar people himself. So look around, if there are no cops, GUN IT, as soon as you pass the trailer, or it stops reading you, slam on the brakes and slow back down to the posted speed limit. You'll be doing everyone a favor.
When an officer pulls you over for speeding and he used radar to clock you, you may ask to see the reading on the unit at that time. Usually, it has been my experience that they'll allow me to look at it. If they say no, then I take note of that and will later use it as ammunition against the officer in court.
Many radar based speeding tickets are dismissed every year because the defendant may request any or all the following and does not receive them:
1. The Radar unit's calibration, maintenance, and history records.
2. The officer's certifications for radar training or other things.
3. The tuning fork(s) used to calibrate the radar unit as well as their calibration certificates.
4. The specific radar unit that was used.
5. That agency's FCC license
6. List of models, makes and serial numbers of every radar unit currently in use with that agency.
The things above are a matter of public record, which as most of us know, means that we all have a right to obtain these records to insure that a safe, fair, and truthful trial takes place. You may obtain these records one of a few different ways. The first is you may go to the officer's (who issued you the ticket) specific agency, and ask to speak with someone whom can help you with public records like the Public Records Custodian, or another officer. You give them a detailed list of what exactly it is you want. If they aren't *******s about it, they'll give you pretty much everything you asked for except probably the tuning forks and radar unit itself. They'll probably tell you that the officer will bring these with him to the trial.
If on the other hand, they ARE *******s and refuse you any of this information, you can call the State Attorney General whom is in charge of prosecuting all violations of public records laws. Mark my words, you'll get EXACTLY what you asked for in short order after notifiying the S.A.G. If you really want revenge you can even file a civil lawsuit against that agency for punitive damages.
You can also sobpoena anything reasonable you wish from the court. You may do this by requesting them at the court clerk explaining the things you want. The only catch to this is you need to do it 14days in advance, furthermore you won't get to check out the records until the actual court date, which takes valuable time from the construction of a bulletproof case. Look for any inconsistancies within whatever records you get, these leave the cop very unstable ground to testify upon.
Many times an agency will be sending and reveiving radar units for various reasons constantly. The FCC gives a liscense to the agency for every single radar unit being used, but this isn't automatic. The agency must request these liscenses from the FCC by giving them all the information on the unit, only then can they legally use them. Make sure that the serials and other information on the unit match the FCC liscense list that you look at. Because agencies are getting many new units in from time to time, sometimes they fail to register them with the FCC, which is grounds for immediate dismisal of your ticket, and the agency is in a heap of trouble! =) If it's not liscensed with the FCC, they can't use it against you in court, and when radar can't be used based on a radar ticket, your ticket is history.
In addition to what I've mentioned thusfar, there are a few other things that can be used as ammunition for you in court.
A Radar unit can sometimes read the speed of the patrol car's heater or AC fan.
An inadvertent false reasong can appear on a radar unit if the unit's antenna (which is moveable) is pointed for any period of time at the readout part of the unit.
Neon lights, power transformers, electrical storms, and other sources of harmonic frequencies can all influence radar readings as well.
Radio transmitters and towers are a great source of radar interference. Radar itself is a radio wave, CB radios are notorious for messing with radar speed readings. The fact is, many MANY cars have CB equipped, Police Cruisers included, this means that this error happens quite frequently.
Moving radar which is no different from stationary radar besides the fact that it has to calculate in the speed of the police vehicle into the equation. When an officer accelerates too quickly, this throws off the reading of the radar. Most units are unable to compensate for the sudden increase in ground speed from the officer, and until it does catch up, it will add the increase in the officer's speed to the target...which is usually YOU. When an officer makes this mistake, it is known as "batching". When "batching" occurs, it can cause a very substantial error in the speed reading, and this can in turn lead to an unwarranted citation.
We'll start with Radar. How radar works is when the radar device is pointed at your vehicle, it emits a radio waves on a particular frequency (I'll explain how important for you this frequency is later). These radio waves eventually travel to your vehicle, and bounce off, returning to the radar device on a different frequency. In theory, this change in frequency is directly proportional to how fast you are traveling. The radar devide merely calculates this difference, and comes up with an estimated speed. In order for the radar to work properly, it must be pointed DIRECTLY at you. There can be no obstructions in the way ie: other cars, bushes, trees, rocks etc. The device must also be relatively close to you in order to insure that it's reading your speed and not another vehicle's. Radar does not emit an even, narrow, direct beam, but instead is more like a sprinkler or headlight. It is emitted from the device, and spreads out wider and wider over a distance. It's proven that at only one eighth of a mile from the standard unit, a radar beam will be around 4 lanes wide, and sometimes wider. So if your speeding ticket is based on radar, make sure you ask the officer "How far away from me were you when you "clocked" me if you don't mind my asking?" If there was enough space, he could very well have clocked someone in a different lane, or even on the other side of the road.
In addition to all this, radar based speed reading devices have a tendancy to read speeds of bigger objects rather than smaller ones, so if there is some bigger truck near you, he may cause you to get a speeding ticket when you were only traveling the speed limit due to the fact that the radar device read the speed of the truck behind you, but the officer tickets you because you were in front. I've also read in a radar training manual (don't ask how I got it) that sometimes the radar unit can read the speed of blowing dust, branches, rain, leaves etc. So if you were ticketed under these conditions, you might have ample reason to get your ticket dismissed.
Now the how get ammo to fight the pigs. Far too many people think that if they get a radar ticket, thats means: pay, end of story. This couldn't be further from the truth. There are a vast amount of opportunities that will present themselves for you to get out of a radar ticket. First off, there are certain things that are a matter of public record and that you have a right to know and sometimes see. Radar is a VERY sensitive piece of machinery, and as such, it is VERY vulnerable to other variables causing it to be innacurate. If you can raise a reasonable doubt that any of these variables were involved with your ticket, the radar reading becomes inadmisable in court, and your case will have a VERY good chance of being dismissed.
If you get a radar ticket for exceeding a posted speed limit, make sure you find out if there has been a recent traffic and engineering survey taken on that road. Most often, they must be updated every 5 years in order to be valid. What they do is measure the speed of 85% of the traffic, and from this average, is supposed to be the basis of which speed limits are made. Often times, an officer CANNOT use radar for the purpose of ticketing people if there is not an up to date copy of the traffic and engineering survey present with him in court. Remember, the judge and the pig are friends, and they are expecting you not to know your **** when you show up in court so often times the judge will not ask the pig for this document, so its up to you to make sure you ask for it if the judge doesn't. In many places, the court will permit you to actually request the data that makes up these surveys, therefore, if your so inclined (like myself) you can often challenge the city's accuracy on the survey itself.
Most of these surveys are conducted using one of those remote radar trailers. I'm sure you've seen them around, they look like little boxes mounted onto a trailer with a little screen that shows you how fast your going. The main pain in the *** is the fact that when most people see these things they slam on their brakes because they think there is a little camera that will take a picture of their liscense plate and ticket them in the mail. This is NOT true. What IS true, is often times a pig will sit a little after one of these and radar people himself. So look around, if there are no cops, GUN IT, as soon as you pass the trailer, or it stops reading you, slam on the brakes and slow back down to the posted speed limit. You'll be doing everyone a favor.
When an officer pulls you over for speeding and he used radar to clock you, you may ask to see the reading on the unit at that time. Usually, it has been my experience that they'll allow me to look at it. If they say no, then I take note of that and will later use it as ammunition against the officer in court.
Many radar based speeding tickets are dismissed every year because the defendant may request any or all the following and does not receive them:
1. The Radar unit's calibration, maintenance, and history records.
2. The officer's certifications for radar training or other things.
3. The tuning fork(s) used to calibrate the radar unit as well as their calibration certificates.
4. The specific radar unit that was used.
5. That agency's FCC license
6. List of models, makes and serial numbers of every radar unit currently in use with that agency.
The things above are a matter of public record, which as most of us know, means that we all have a right to obtain these records to insure that a safe, fair, and truthful trial takes place. You may obtain these records one of a few different ways. The first is you may go to the officer's (who issued you the ticket) specific agency, and ask to speak with someone whom can help you with public records like the Public Records Custodian, or another officer. You give them a detailed list of what exactly it is you want. If they aren't *******s about it, they'll give you pretty much everything you asked for except probably the tuning forks and radar unit itself. They'll probably tell you that the officer will bring these with him to the trial.
If on the other hand, they ARE *******s and refuse you any of this information, you can call the State Attorney General whom is in charge of prosecuting all violations of public records laws. Mark my words, you'll get EXACTLY what you asked for in short order after notifiying the S.A.G. If you really want revenge you can even file a civil lawsuit against that agency for punitive damages.
You can also sobpoena anything reasonable you wish from the court. You may do this by requesting them at the court clerk explaining the things you want. The only catch to this is you need to do it 14days in advance, furthermore you won't get to check out the records until the actual court date, which takes valuable time from the construction of a bulletproof case. Look for any inconsistancies within whatever records you get, these leave the cop very unstable ground to testify upon.
Many times an agency will be sending and reveiving radar units for various reasons constantly. The FCC gives a liscense to the agency for every single radar unit being used, but this isn't automatic. The agency must request these liscenses from the FCC by giving them all the information on the unit, only then can they legally use them. Make sure that the serials and other information on the unit match the FCC liscense list that you look at. Because agencies are getting many new units in from time to time, sometimes they fail to register them with the FCC, which is grounds for immediate dismisal of your ticket, and the agency is in a heap of trouble! =) If it's not liscensed with the FCC, they can't use it against you in court, and when radar can't be used based on a radar ticket, your ticket is history.
In addition to what I've mentioned thusfar, there are a few other things that can be used as ammunition for you in court.
A Radar unit can sometimes read the speed of the patrol car's heater or AC fan.
An inadvertent false reasong can appear on a radar unit if the unit's antenna (which is moveable) is pointed for any period of time at the readout part of the unit.
Neon lights, power transformers, electrical storms, and other sources of harmonic frequencies can all influence radar readings as well.
Radio transmitters and towers are a great source of radar interference. Radar itself is a radio wave, CB radios are notorious for messing with radar speed readings. The fact is, many MANY cars have CB equipped, Police Cruisers included, this means that this error happens quite frequently.
Moving radar which is no different from stationary radar besides the fact that it has to calculate in the speed of the police vehicle into the equation. When an officer accelerates too quickly, this throws off the reading of the radar. Most units are unable to compensate for the sudden increase in ground speed from the officer, and until it does catch up, it will add the increase in the officer's speed to the target...which is usually YOU. When an officer makes this mistake, it is known as "batching". When "batching" occurs, it can cause a very substantial error in the speed reading, and this can in turn lead to an unwarranted citation.
I saw an article somewhere not too long ago about new Laser Guns with digital cameras built in, so that they take a picture of the targeted vehicle. Supposedly, after that the cop doesn't even have to show up in court.
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My first ticket back in 1996 was from a hwy patrol approaching in the opposite lane.
It was in a 40mph zone ..had no idea that a cop can clock on the oncoming lane.
He busted a Uwee and pulled me over.
When he walked up to the car he asked the usual, I told him 44.
"Nope, 53." he said. and you know whaat!? he was right.
I remember seeing the needle at around 53 mph as he passed by.
This being my first ticket I, of course, denied it, but damn..
hwy patrol has some sophisticated $hit ..even back then!
It was in a 40mph zone ..had no idea that a cop can clock on the oncoming lane.
He busted a Uwee and pulled me over.
When he walked up to the car he asked the usual, I told him 44.
"Nope, 53." he said. and you know whaat!? he was right.
I remember seeing the needle at around 53 mph as he passed by.
This being my first ticket I, of course, denied it, but damn..
hwy patrol has some sophisticated $hit ..even back then!
